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 The depression poll. 
#5133627 - 01/02/06 11:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just want to do a little poll, to see just how "individualized" and "rare" depression is.
Is it truly a genetic crap shoot?
This is in no way has any scientific credibility. I am merely doing it just to see the results. So, please, everyone, answer truthfully.... also, the more answers i get, the more accurate the results will be.
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Captain Loafy McPoopdick
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Good poll. I answered truthfully. If you need help or someone to talk to, you should PM me.
Medication has helped me out wondorfully.
Unless I just almost bleed my heart out for no reason i'll just look like an ass haha
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i've been depressed plenty of times before, but never without a reason. shit happens to everyone. i was depressed for awhile when my ex girlfriend dumped me awhile ago, and in situations where anyone would be depressed, but i can't think of too many times when i've been depressed without a reason to be depressed, except like ecstasy hangovers.
when i do get really depressed i'll smoke a lot of pot and/or listen to some music and feel better, but it doesn't happen on a regular basis.
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Nevermind I take that back, don't fuckin talk to me...ever.
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thanks for taking the pill... i mean poll.
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yea, I guess there's a little side effect.
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Quote:
nightkrawler said:
i've been depressed plenty of times before, but never without a reason. shit happens to everyone. i was depressed for awhile when my ex girlfriend dumped me awhile ago, and in situations where anyone would be depressed, but i can't think of too many times when i've been depressed without a reason to be depressed, except like ecstasy hangovers.
when i do get really depressed i'll smoke a lot of pot and/or listen to some music and feel better, but it doesn't happen on a regular basis.
What you are describing here is just being down in the dumps, Withdrawing?... or bummed out---it's not what society or a psychaitrists would consider "depression"
Incidental--- clinical depression is usually common with those that have gone through something extremely tramatic. Loved one unexpectingly dieng etc...but even though these experiences can be considered triggers---they cant be conisdered the cause. Depression is something that usually escalates over time--many indeirect and transient factors involved.
Actually, if my dog died and I became sad....Saying I am feeling depressed today is actauly being politically incorrect since Im using a medical diagnosis to describe my feelings. *not like it really matters---dont get the idea Im trying to dictate or enforce this notion*...and Yes Depression is Defined as a feeling in the dictionary...but, they are not one in the same.
(same Idea if I were to say: "ornages are the CURE for Scurvy"
The word "Cure" is a medical term and if I publically released an artical saying the Cure for Scurvy is Oranges, THe FDA could come after me)
Well sorry for gettin off topic, I just wanted to relay this info...Even though the English Dictionary has adopted these words as synonyms for "sad"...they are not the same thing when speaking of Medical Depression.
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i'm not sure what exactly is meant by depression here. i mean i've been depressed for long periods of time in the general sense of the word, but i don't think clinically depressed. there's always been a reason (other than just chemical imbalances) for when i've felt shit.
weed was my treatment for about a year, until i realised it only helps in the short term. eventually with a combination of meditation, sorting my life out and a few hard trips i ended up being pretty content with life.
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Re: The depression poll. [Re: alsey]
#5134233 - 01/03/06 07:59 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nearly every expert/knowledgeable person in the mental health field would agree with the statement that:
"Depression is caused by a combination of genetic and environmental factors".
In addition, no one has ever claimed the disorder is communicable.
Would you be able to provide any evidence that genetics plays no role whatsoever in the etiology of depression?
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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.
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Edited by badchad (01/03/06 08:03 AM)
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Re: The depression poll. [Re: badchad]
#5134242 - 01/03/06 08:15 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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True... My father has a depression, his father and mom were both depressed, his brother was depressed and is still in a mental institution, his sister commit suicide... so yeah my guess would be that it's genetic...
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Re: The depression poll. [Re: badchad]
#5134245 - 01/03/06 08:18 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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badchad said:
Would you be able to provide any evidence that genetics plays no role whatsoever in the etiology of depression?
Well My brother and sister don't have depression... My cousin from my fathers other sis's side don't have depression (or so I'm told)... And depression can be caused by environmental factors and not be transmitted to your kids.
So you should have 2 kinds of depression... a kind that would be genetic (something to do with hormones) and something that has to do with something that happened in your life.
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"Going to the grave without ever having a psychedelic experience is like going to the grave without ever having sex. That means you will die before even becoming an adolescent." -Terence Mckenna
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Re: The depression poll. [Re: Brakkie]
#5134495 - 01/03/06 10:34 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think ive been depressed for a long time, im 23 now and ive been having problems since i was 12. Ive been to the doc's loads of times, but they always say because i play my guitar and have afew other intrests that i carn't be, even though i can feel myself getting worse year by year. Last year (a year ago this new years) i had some sort of mental breakdown, where i started getting panic attacks and just feeling like id lost the plot, it took me months to recover from that but im just about ok now, though i still carry a low mood with me and this is what i hate so much.
I was always told when i was younger that the hardest part in treating depression was admitting that you are depressed, ive been prepared to admit it for years but the docs just dont listen.
i know im not an extreme case now, but with docs like ours i can see why loads of nutters (i mean the bad ones) go about unnoticed.
i get a touch of S.A.D at this time of year aswell with there being little sunlight and me being a lazy bastard lying in bed all day, roll on spring time.
Edited by Mike_yy (01/03/06 11:03 AM)
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I used to have fairly severe clinical depression, and my psychopharmacologist gave me an alphabet soup of medications to try to cure me. But nothing really worked...they all made me feel doped up or just gave me an artificial sense of happiness and well-being.
MDMA, meditation, and a few lifestyle changes really made all the difference and I can honestly say that while I do have an occassional period of the blues, I no longer feel constantly down and depressed.
Both of my parents have it and both are on medication for it.
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Re: The depression poll. [Re: badchad]
#5135693 - 01/03/06 05:02 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
badchad said:
Nearly every expert/knowledgeable person in the mental health field would agree with the statement that:
"Depression is caused by a combination of genetic and environmental factors".
In addition, no one has ever claimed the disorder is communicable.
Would you be able to provide any evidence that genetics plays no role whatsoever in the etiology of depression?
Like I have asked (yet amazingly never been answered): Do you think it is possible for anyone to be genetically predisposed to enjoy life less than anyone else?
There is not one conclusive study which proves that depression is genetical, nor is there solid, irrefutable proof that brain chemicals are the cause of depression.
Like we have discussed in the homeopathy threads in S&P, you cannot prove a negative.
Look at the results of the poll so far. Right now, it seems that approx. 50% of the people who took the poll, have been diagnosed with depression.
Now, does 50% sound like an accurate genetical "defect"? Also, 21 people have taken drugs to "cure" their depression, while 18 of them still are not "cured".... what does this tell you?
I think America needs to really evaluate where modern mental health is headed. Look at any graph or stat of rates of depression.... surprisingly, you will find that since the early 90's it has increased constantly.
also, why does your chances of having depression increase with age? maybe because, the longer you live, the more chances you have to make yourself miserable?
Ok, you know what, maybe i am an asshole, maybe i am cynical. Im not asking you to like me, but to atleast attempt to see this alternative view towards mental health.... because apparently what is being done about it presently isnt working.
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I think you're right in that while there is a strong association between certain genes and certain neurotransmitters and depression, ASSOCIATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION.
I think America needs to really evaluate where modern mental health is headed. Look at any graph or stat of rates of depression.... surprisingly, you will find that since the early 90's it has increased constantly.
also, why does your chances of having depression increase with age? maybe because, the longer you live, the more chances you have to make yourself miserable?
Yes. I think that while certain genes may predispose an individual to depression and similar disorders, it's the environment that plays the pivotal role. This kind of goes back to nature vs. nurture.
So I think that psychological treatment should be first and foremost and come before any medications. And I think that most medications are crap. Something you have to take on a daily basis in order to feel motivated, happy, calm, peaceful, etc. is a dependency, and while not inherently bad, a dependency like that will generally mask the symptoms and not address the underlying issue much, if at all.
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But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Quote:
psilocyberin said:
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badchad said:
Like I have asked (yet amazingly never been answered): Do you think it is possible for anyone to be genetically predisposed to enjoy life less than anyone else?
I think some are more likely to get it than others, I know its to do with how bad things have been for you. but if two people could lead the same life, i doubt that the way they'ed react to it would be exactly the same. One person might cope better with that life than another does, this might suggest some predisposition. Impossible to test but im hoping you know what i mean.
Mine is caused by doing too many pills in my clubbing days, and a general hard life. but if i was somewhere doing what i wanted to do, and generally being happy, i think my depression would clear up alot quicker than it is.
One day i will be doing just that (touch wood)
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Re: The depression poll. [Re: Mike_yy]
#5136131 - 01/03/06 07:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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happiness is relative. it is all about how you view life. it isnt based on the chemicals in your brain.
happiness comes from your reality. i imagine that you all would be severly depressed living in shithole, Africa as a 13 year old boy with HIV.... right? well, why dont those people have clinical depression?
It is because you live a certain life in America which has shaped your perception of what happiness is, how to attain it, and what subjective/descriptive terms you place upon it.
why are Americans the most afflicted nation when it comes to Depression?
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Re: The depression poll. [Re: Mike_yy]
#5136172 - 01/03/06 07:11 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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i was depressed all through out high school. now about 9 months after i am in a much better situation. i knew the source(s) but at the time i was not willing to change the situation. now after large amounts of upheaval in my life i am doing much better. have a significant other for the first time in my life, pretty much chemical free, and trying to get things taken care of.
i still have stuff hanging over my head, legal troubles are a bitch. i have never seen a doc for depression, depression "runs" in the family. my mother and one of my brothers take wellbutrin. i used pot and other drugs to deal with my issues, but until i was out of school i did not have it in me to change. i dealt with several issues, the most disturbing to myself was how layered or split i was. through it all i think the thing that held me down the most was how pointless it was, being gay in a small rural community is a no go and the reasons behind it are so irrational. after coming out to a couple people and moving things are much better. getting into school and getting a new job are helping also, now once i get some friends in this new area i will be good to go.
sorry if that didn't really apply to the thread, just trying to explain my part in the poll.
damn that sounds so negitive. not to say i was hating my life all the time or anything. i had a good group of friends and enjoyed a lot of things. just under it all i was in a fucked up situation.
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Edited by ReposadoXochipilli (01/03/06 07:14 PM)
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