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okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?!
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i mean, they bombed pearl harbor, good start, then what?

i highly doubt their plan was to let america come and attack them after they made the first move, why didnt they go on the offensive and go take over the harbor, then go for the U.S.?????

i mean that is the only logical plan... i doubt they could have pulled it off... so what they hell were they thinking?

history says nothing about this,


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: ZippoZ]
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We took out one of their submarines.  They retaliated. :shrug:


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: McKennaFan200]
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is that what happened?
everyone knows how it ended, the plans for the start arent that clear.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: ZippoZ]
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rofl

the end was planned.

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: ZippoZ]
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It's the Japanese, what are they going to do? Spice us to death?


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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I thought they were gonna capture us all in little red and white balls Pokemon style.

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: faslimy]
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you need to watch more of the history channel. They were expecting our aircraft carriers and a couple other destroyers to be in the harbor also. They weren't though the were north of the island. So when they attacked they expected to take out the entire western fleet. Sense the didn't know were the carriers were which could poss a threat to their ships they decided to call off their third wave of attack fighters and withdraw.

WB

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: WhiteBunny]
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interesting.... yeah back in the day they didnt have all of those sattelites and the ability to transfer information at the blink of an eye across the globe...


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: WhiteBunny]
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maybe germany knew america would get dragged in with the allies eventually so the nazis ordered japan to sneak attack them to prove their worth...maybe add a dash of megalomania and arrogance into the mix too after all they were both the greatest races on earth maybe


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: quiver]
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or maybee america asked japan to attack pearl harbor, or tricked them into it so that they could be in the war.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: quiver]
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also the emporor of japan was never punished...ever


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: ZippoZ]
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zippoz said:
or maybee america asked japan to attack pearl harbor, or tricked them into it so that they could be in the war.



:lol:


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: ZippoZ]
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well, even though Germany and Japan were allies they really didn;'t order or tell each other who and when to attack. Japan did think that the U.S was going to enter the war and thought the best way to protect Japan would be to take out one of the threats on one front that way they wouldn't have to worrie about being attacked by forces on two fronts and separate their forces. This as we know didn't work out. Oh they have been playing most of the battles in the pacific on the history channel bird eye view pictures and all, it's really great!

WB


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: WhiteBunny]
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ever play the game axis and allies??? if youre japan you had damn well better try and take out pearl harbor on your first turn our you's fucked.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: quiver]
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You need to fix your avatar and your sig.

kthx

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: VoidOfsPg]
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i like what i have there...i think its unique

kthx


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: quiver]
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lol what ever makes you feel special.

kyw

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: quiver]
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i think that isa annoying IMHO


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: ZippoZ]
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i loved the pearl harbor pc game,i saved you guys single handedly :grin:


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: ZippoZ]
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to each his own


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: quiver]
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quiver said:
also the emporor of japan was never punished...ever



what for? Crimes against humanity? It was a military target. Japan got what came to them for Pearl Harbor in two packages called fat man and little boy.

Oh, that third wave of attack fighters were suppose to hit a oil,fuel depot that supply the western fleet of ships and it was just a little north east. If that was destroy it is argued how the island hopping battles would have been done.

WB


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: WhiteBunny]
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Though I am not entirely against the use of the atomic bombs, your logic is absurd.

They hit a military target, so we hit 2 cities that have litte strategic purpose? Doesn't make sense.

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: ZippoZ]
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you really need to read more history.

I suggest you do a google search on why Japan attacked us...to begin with.

It's interesting.

:smile:

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The Japanese thought that all the American Aircraft Carriers were in Pearl Harbor...they weren't.
They realized this after they had already started the attack inside the harbor.

If they had destroyed more of the American fleet at Pearl Harbor they would have brought their fleet into Hawaii and took it over.

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My father was at Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked.
He was injured that day...badly burned.
He died in 1994....he was 77.
My parents were in their 40's when they had me.

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Another interesting tidbit for you...
The Japanese landed in Alaska and fought on American soil.


tc


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You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: WhiteBunny]
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So we decided, "What the hell, we might as well drop them on whatever city we find"?

Like I said before, I think we did what was necessary, but it was definitely not tit-for-tat.

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: Redstorm]
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wow, they fought on alaska huh? crazy

well it goes to show, that that was a reallly pivitol point in history then...

crazy

thanks for all of the history guys :smile:

glad to see your feeling better Roads


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: WhiteBunny]
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WhiteBunny said:
quiver said:
also the emporor of japan was never punished...ever



what for? Crimes against humanity? It was a military target. Japan got what came to them for Pearl Harbor in two packages called fat man and little boy.

Oh, that third wave of attack fighters were suppose to hit a oil,fuel depot that supply the western fleet of ships and it was just a little north east. If that was destroy it is argued how the island hopping battles would have been done.

WB



all the nazi leaders were executed but lots of jap generals and the emperor were let off scott free

it wasnt an unconditional surrender,thats what i learnt on the history channel


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: Redstorm]
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Einstein was really dissapointed with himself that he told them the secrets of nuclear fusion. When he wanted to use fission for energy production. He said it's not to be used for destructive purposes. Did they listen? No. You don't not listen to Einstein. That's bad juju.


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: Shroomism]
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yeah, lets not listen to the smartest man we know.... didnt he have a 260 some IQ?
didnt those fucking beuracrats think for a second, hey wait, this guy is smart there must be somthing to this no killing thing...

Oh wait, we can kill how many?????? Wowe!
125,000 dead in the 2 blasts initally from what i remember


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: Shroomism]
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from what i remember einstien fled his homeland cause he knew what the nazis would do if they got hold of his brain,he knew who was evil by nature i guess


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: ZippoZ]
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Killing doesn't have to do with smart or dumb, it has to do with wrong or right. Kissinger was one of the most intelligent men to ever be part of the US gov't, but his morals were not quite up to par, in my opinion.

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: quiver]
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If only we had nuked the major cities in China and Russia that day. :crazy2:


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: WhiteBunny]
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WhiteBunny said:
Those two cities were not the primary targets because the other cities higher on the list had cloudy weather but they were the industrial backbone of the counry.

WB



the 2nd bomb was unnecessary and only used for experimental purposes.

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: Vvellum]
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I think I have heard the following explanation for Japan's attack on America:

Japan and America were butting heads over oil and Japan's expansionism. Japan was pissed. Japanese leaders knew that they could probably not militarily defeat America completely. But, they surmised that they could put enough of a dent in America's Pacific Ocean military power so that America would back off and Japan would have free reign in Asia and the Pacific.

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said:
WhiteBunny said:
Those two cities were not the primary targets because the other cities higher on the list had cloudy weather but they were the industrial backbone of the counry.

WB



the 2nd bomb was unnecessary and only used for experimental purposes.



*coffbullshitcoffcoff


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Exactly.

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
Einstein was really dissapointed with himself that he told them the secrets of nuclear fusion. When he wanted to use fission for energy production. He said it's not to be used for destructive purposes. Did they listen? No. You don't not listen to Einstein. That's bad juju.



He was an outspoken critic of the use and possession of nuclear weapons as well. So much so that the FBI kept an eye on him.....

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: quiver]
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quiver said:
bi0 said:
WhiteBunny said:
Those two cities were not the primary targets because the other cities higher on the list had cloudy weather but they were the industrial backbone of the counry.

WB



the 2nd bomb was unnecessary and only used for experimental purposes.



*coffbullshitcoffcoff



read up on the subject - you might learn something.

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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: Vvellum]
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Regarding Einstein:

He was on a trip outside Germany. He was on his way back when he saw an ad in a newspaper that the German government was selling his boat. Turns out they had seized his property because he was Jewish, and they would probably have sent him to the gettos had he been at home. He was already pretty much academically discredited in Germany. The Nazi government wasn't interested in relativity; they considered it "Jewish science." He decided not to go back, obviously, and he came to America.


He was not one of the world's foremost experts on fission, but he was aware of the possibility of a nuclear weapons and that the German government was researching this, so he sent a letter to the president urging him to start a nuclear weapons program in the U.S. in hopes that we would beat Germany to the punch. He was not included in the project because he was considered a security risk.


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said:
quiver said:
bi0 said:
WhiteBunny said:
Those two cities were not the primary targets because the other cities higher on the list had cloudy weather but they were the industrial backbone of the counry.

WB



the 2nd bomb was unnecessary and only used for experimental purposes.



*coffbullshitcoffcoff



read up on the subject - you might learn something.



no need to flame me,after all i didnt post bullshit,you get that info from al jezeera?
you said it with such authority too


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: Vvellum]
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just googled it for you:
i searched:was the second atomic bomb dropped on japan as an experiment?
this is the first page
Hiroshima
Japan did not surrender immediately and a second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki
... were the objects of the first great experiment in the use of atomic power, ...
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWhiroshima.htm - 36k - Cached - Similar pages

Atom Bomb
Japan did not surrender immediately and a second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki three
... If the atomic bomb were merely another, though more devastating, ...
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWatom.htm - 51k - Cached - Similar pages

Atomic Bomb Chronology: 1945-1946
Decided not to notify Japan before dropping A-bomb. ... An estimation that 204
atomic bombs are required if a hypothetical enemy is Soviet Union. ...
www.ask.ne.jp/~hankaku/english/np7y.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

Truman and the A-Bombs
Japan, by August 1945, was in desperate shape and ready to surrender, ... And,
last but not least, why was the second atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki? ...
www.sumeria.net/politics/a-bombs.html - 8k - Cached - Similar pages

The iWitness -- Scotland's Muslim Newspaper
Three days after the bombing of Hiroshima, a second atomic bomb was dropped on
Nagasaki followed by Japan?s surrender and the end of the Second World War. ...
www.iwitness.co.uk/features/0805fe-03.htm - 28k - Cached - Similar pages

Trinity test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The second bomb, dropped on Nagasaki, Japan, on August 9, was code-named "Fat Man",
... The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed at least 120000 ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_test - 53k - Cached - Similar pages

Enrico Fermi: Biography and Much More From Answers.com
... paving the way for the completion of the atomic bombs dropped on Japan in ...
While working on the atomic bomb, Fermi was technically considered an ...


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
I think I have heard the following explanation for Japan's attack on America:

Japan and America were butting heads over oil and Japan's expansionism.  Japan was pissed.  Japanese leaders knew that they could probably not militarily defeat America completely.  But, they surmised that they could put enough of a dent in America's Pacific Ocean military power so that America would back off and Japan would have free reign in Asia and the Pacific.



Exactly!~

You know your history RF!~

:thumbup:

It was over OIL and Japan's expansionism.

Japan was importing OIL from the United States before WW2.
The United States cut the Japanese OIL supply down...which pissed off Japan.
There were Japanese Shipping Companies in Seattle that were buying up all the OIL they could and sending it to Japan...before the War.
My Mother worked at one of these Japanese Shipping Companies before the War broke out.

Japan was already at war with China...and they had their eyes on taking the Phillipines.

Many American Fighter Pilots were already fighting for the Chinese at the time in China...the Flying Tigers.

Some people believe that FDR knew about the Japanese plot to attack Pearl Harbor ahead of time...and that he allowed it to happen so that the Americans could enter the War in Europe.
Which would explain why more of the Pacific fleet wasn't in Pearl Harbor at the time of the attack.
But this is still pure speculation.

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The sadest part to me is how the United States helped the Japanese rebuild after the war...giving them technoligy.
From companies like General Electric...then the Japanese took off and became more advanced in Electronics.

Now the Japanese have factories in the Phillipines...and Vacation there.
Now Japanese people and businesses are buying up the Real Estate on Hawaii...turning it into their own little Club Med.
They might not have won the War...but they are buying what they couldn't take during the War.
:frown:
My father...who was at Pearl Harbor at the time of the Attack...is probably turning over in his grave over this.


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Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!


Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: Roadkill]
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same here japan owns the gold coast of australia just about....there was even a story on the news that some souvineer shops up in queensland only accepted the yen!!
my poor ole grandad was one of these proud men

http://www.imagingideas.com.au/ratsoftobruk/

and he'd be rolling over too


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Re: okay, What the hell was Japans plan of attack after WW2? really!?!?!?! [Re: quiver]
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The reason why Japan attack Pearl Harbor was because The United States and the United Kingdom reacted to Japanese military actions in China by imposing a scrap metal boycott followed by an oil boycott, a freeze of assets and the closing of the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping. The oil boycott was especially threatening to Japan (and its military), which lacked oil resources of its own. The Japanese leaders decided they had only two choices: give in to the demands of the USA and the UK and back out of China, or escalate the conflict to try to acquire sources of oil in Southeast Asia. What I gave above was the reason Pearl Harbor was the target.

WB


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