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Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control."
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051203/ts_nm/life_ecstasy_dc

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"Dr. Ecstasy" laments the rave drug's notoriety

By Jason Szep Fri Dec 2, 7:02 PM ET

CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (Reuters) - The scientist who introduced Ecstasy to the world in the 1970s fears the drug's notoriety and popularity at nightclubs is destroying any chance that it might be used to treat the mentally ill.
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"It's very excellent potential for being used as medicine has been badly jeopardized," Alexander Shulgin, told Reuters after defending the merits of mind-altering drugs at a symposium on the human brain at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology this week.

"It's gone out of control," lamented Shulgin, a tall Californian with a mane of white hair and a Santa Claus-like beard, who is widely known as "Dr. Ecstasy."

A psychopharmacological researcher who once had a license from the U.S. government to develop any illegal drug, Shulgin believes so strongly in the power of psychedelic drugs in unlocking the human mind that he plans to publish a 1,500-page encyclopedia next year of all his creations.

The 80-year-old former lecturer at the University of California at Berkeley, who self-tested many of his experiments and admits to more than 4,000 psychedelic experiences, finds little comfort in Ecstasy's image as the drug of choice at all-night nightclub dance parties or raves.

"These rave scenes have added kindling to the fire of governmental disapproval," he said.

Use of the drug, known for inducing euphoria and energy while reducing inhibitions, surged 70 percent from 1995 to 2000, according to
United Nations data.

Ecstasy-related deaths, while relatively rare, make enough headlines to force authorities to regularly issue health warnings. Australia's National Drug and Alcohol Research Center in April said users risked harmful psychological effects.

Tracing that rise of the drug leads straight to Shulgin. A gifted biochemist and former
National Institutes of Health consultant, he unearthed a formula for MDMA -- a synthetic drug with psychedelic and stimulant effects -- in a 1912 chemistry text and synthesized it into Ecstasy in 1976.

After testing it on himself, he became convinced of its power to treat mental illness. He gave the drug to psychotherapist and close friend, Leo Zeff, who sampled it, agreed, and passed it to hundreds of other therapists.

Shulgin, who had already quit a senior job at Dell Chemical after sampling mescaline in 1960 in a life-changing introduction to psychedelic drugs, enjoyed a period of celebrity as a cutting-edge chemist.

He described his first experiment with psychedelic drugs as a "very delightful experience" in which he could "see clearly what he could not appreciate before."

Ecstasy was used in its early days as a treatment for depression and other illnesses, but that ended abruptly in 1986 when it was banned by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency.

Recently, however, Ecstasy has had a modest comeback in clinical therapy. U.S authorities gave researchers at the Medical University of South Carolina permission last year to use MDMA in a small study of patients suffering post-traumatic stress.

In August, researchers at Duke University in North Carolina found that amphetamines, including Ecstasy, reversed the effects of Parkinson's disease in mice, raising the possibility of exploring related treatments for humans.

Meanwhile, Shulgin, whose involvement in psychedelic drug research spans 40 years, is at work compiling his encyclopedia on 1,000 psychedelic compounds. It is modeled on the Merck Index of chemical properties.

"It will be everything that is known to be, has been tried but not found yet to be, or should be tried because they are apt to be psychedelic," he said of the work, which he expects to self-publish by the middle of next year.



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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: z_x_x_z]
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Pretty crazy this is on yahoo news. I think he feels about ecstacy like alot of people felt about Tim Leary and Ken Kesey with LSD. Sounds very much like what Albert Hoffman said in his last years.

However, as far as I can tell Shulgin never rips recreational use, or raves, he is just pissed that they give the government amo to outlaw it for medical purposes.


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1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: Divided_Sky]
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Divided_Sky said:
However, as far as I can tell Shulgin never rips recreational use, or raves, he is just pissed that they give the government amo to outlaw it for medical purposes.



whats the difference?

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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: Vvellum]
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Seriously, Dr. Shulgin can say whatever he wants....

I completely agree with whatever he says, just based on the fact that he knows of what he speaks....


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Shulgin is the fucking man! I totally support his views that ecstacy should be used in theraputic sessions.


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Fuck this......let's go smoke a bowl.

"Weed will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no weed."  --Freewheelin' Franklin

"Life is not all....flowers and sausages!"

I <heart> Joe!

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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: Vvellum]
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I wonder if a copy of his speech can be found somewhere on the net. I'd like to hear what he says - this yahoo news article is lacking.

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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: Vvellum]
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Shulgin, whose involvement in psychedelic drug research spans 40 years....


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  Have You Rated Ythans Mom Yet ?? ... :taser:  ... HERE'S HOW ... (be nice) .  :mod: ... :peace:

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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: vinsue]
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I agree with shulgin it can maked semi controlled drug like benzodiazepines.
Like in the history these chemicals are modifications in spirit plants that are sacred plants and they must kept as sacred.They are strong weapons that is not a toy.In unconcious minds it can be harmfull also.
But the thing I can't understand is how alcohol and tobacco is still legal while these substances are likely to be less lethal are illegal.
I think it must reverse as amphetamines and other stimulants(like cafeine and theofiline) must be legal.And other highly addictive sedatives and opoids must be controlled.
Or there is another option it can be all legal.You must inform all the drug users via a paper when they buy from a pharmacy.By this way you will reduce the risks and toxicity of theese drugs.At the same time you are reducing the guilty of doing an illegal thing.But the bad thing that you can also reduce everydrug user has I think,the faith,sacrifice and the seremony feeling.(Listen the Cure For Pain from Morphine)
:peace:


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The world of imagination is the world of eternity. It is the divine bosom into which we shall all go after the death of the vegetated body. This world of imagination is infinite and eternal, whereas the world of generation is finite and temporal. There exist in that eternal world the eternal realities of everything which we see reflected in this vegetable glass of nature.

-William Blake

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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: Vvellum]
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I completely agree with whatever he says, just based on the fact that he knows of what he speaks....


that's aweird statement. how can you always agree with someone because of the fact that he knows a lot about something?


I agree that mdma could be helpfull in some therapeiutic settings :thumbup:
Unfortunately because of the rave scene gives it bad publicity indeed.

Still I think it needs to be properly researched first if it has any permanent physiological effects like braindamage etc.

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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: stefan]
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I never said that.

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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: Vvellum]
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Don't blame the rave scene, blame the government.








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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: Vvellum]
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Dr. Shulgin said:
PLUR LOL



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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: Burke Dennings]
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Shulgin told me he lieks the trance tent.


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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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Rave on man.... PLUR!!!

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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: Vvellum]
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That's nothing new. He has been saying this ever since it blew up in popularity, back in the 80's. He saw it as a supreme catalyst in psychotherapy. Not a love drug meant for the masses.


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HELLA_TIGHT said:
Shulgin told me he lieks the trance tent.



Umm.....no, that was....oh nevermind!;)


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HELLA_TIGHT said:
Shulgin told me he lieks the trance tent.



:lol:

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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: Vvellum]
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Interesting.

There's a passage in the first book however where Ann Shulgin basically says she doesn't disagree with the rave scene.

Probably before it got as big as it is however. Damn irresponsible kids messin it up for everyone.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Shulgin rips recreational ecstacy use & raves - "...out of control." [Re: Vvellum]
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I agree with his statement 120 % There are two vibes at the shows well many. The having fun and rolling lightly group. The rolling face and not giving a shit about other people around them group. There are many different groups but the one that looks most fucked up and introverted and dark kinda looks bad in the publics eye and looked at as drug abusers wich often is the case.

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