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Offlineroykinn
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Substrate Bags VS Substrate Jars...
    #458665 - 11/14/01 09:44 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

What are the drawbacks of each? Would you recommend using the substrate bags with the filter patch or the regular PF style jars? I've heard the bags can build up unwanted moisture inside of them, any comments??


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Re: Substrate Bags VS Substrate Jars... [Re: roykinn]
    #458958 - 11/15/01 02:38 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

anybody?


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Re: Substrate Bags VS Substrate Jars... [Re: roykinn]
    #458962 - 11/15/01 02:44 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

sorry i can not answer your question, but i recently purchased some spawn bags myself and am a little curious to that question as well.


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Re: Substrate Bags VS Substrate Jars... [Re: mycocitizen]
    #458964 - 11/15/01 02:46 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, I'm going to do cakes no matter, I've heard that you can dump the colonized substrate from the bag, into a few jars, let it settle and regroup for a few days and you'll have cakes that arent falling apart... but I still wonder about the whole moisture thing, I forget where I heard it from though


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Re: Substrate Bags VS Substrate Jars... [Re: roykinn]
    #459001 - 11/15/01 04:21 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I'm using both jars and bags, I think they are doing the same, BUT you have to be very careful with the sterilization of the substrate in bags, because it is harder to keep it maintained in the bag without contaiminates. I would stick to jars, but I wanted to see if I could shortcut the tek. Hopefully I wont run into any problems....
But the thing about moisture, it doesn't build up unwanted moisture inside, . but the outside will have excess moisture. it gets a little messy, but no big problem....


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Re: Substrate Bags VS Substrate Jars... [Re: mrdasani]
    #459738 - 11/15/01 07:43 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Why is it harder to keep it maintained in the bag without contaiminates? What extra steps do you go through with the substrate bags?


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Re: Substrate Bags VS Substrate Jars... [Re: roykinn]
    #459742 - 11/15/01 07:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I have no idea how it is harder to maintain bags I in all my years have never heard of this.

Bags keep contamination out and allow gas exchange. Thus making bags colonize faster the draw backs of jars is those little holes for the syringes and if no holes they do not allow gas exchange.

I use the small bags we sell for running grain spawn and then mix it with compost or straw. Which I put into medium or large filter patch bags.

I hopsed this help you a little.

Thanx D


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Re: Substrate Bags VS Substrate Jars... [Re: dimitri211]
    #459746 - 11/15/01 07:52 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

oh yeah and when it comes to shaking jars vs. bags bags are much easier to shame and spread the mycelium around this makes it faster as well.


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Re: Substrate Bags VS Substrate Jars... [Re: roykinn]
    #459753 - 11/15/01 07:58 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Only thing I found I needed a little adjusting to was getting the rye right. If you no how to get your substrate right its not a problem. It was because I jumped into bags and rye. After your second or third pcook you should have them down.


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Re: Substrate Bags VS Substrate Jars... [Re: durban_poison]
    #459770 - 11/15/01 08:13 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I'm going to go ahead and order them first from dimitri, I'll see how that goes, how well does the rye in the bags work as cakes?


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Re: Substrate Bags VS Substrate Jars... [Re: roykinn]
    #459870 - 11/15/01 09:47 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

check out the tread titled "attention spawn bag users new idea"


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