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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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True experience/hallucinations.
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Only thing we have.


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Evolution of Time.

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Re: True experience/hallucinations. [Re: Droz]
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Yep! :mushroom2: :heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: True experience/hallucinations. [Re: Icelander]
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What is the difference between a true experience and a hallucination? How can the two be distinguished? What color is a tomato?

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Re: True experience/hallucinations. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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I have no way to tell. I was responding to the fact that his statement covers it all, one way or another. :grin: :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: True experience/hallucinations. [Re: Icelander]
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Hmm... I don't know if I can consider anything 'true'
Once one assumes certitude one stops thinking about that aspect of existence, and I am certian of that.

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Re: True experience/hallucinations. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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Of course you are right. I am thinking about this subjectively.  I choose to call something true because I intuit it to be, either because of personal physical/emotional/spiritual experience, or it just "feels" right to me. Now of course I can't know that my belief is actually "true". It just works for now, for me. :grin:

Hallunications for me are when I am experiencing something outside my normal framework of experience/expectation. They could be the "truth" for all I know.

Really, I would like to hear Droz on this one. I'm not sure what he means here. I was hoping he would elaborate.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: True experience/hallucinations. [Re: Icelander]
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Wise words.  :thumbup:

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Re: True experience/hallucinations. [Re: Droz]
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i posted this elsewhere
Quote:
If you want what visible reality
can give, you're an employee.
If you want the unseen world,
you're not living your truth.
Both wishes are foolish,
but you'll be forgiven for forgetting
that what you really want is
love's confusing joy.
...Jelaluddin Rumi, the 13th century mystic poet



for me it means that making such a distinction and preferring to seem affiliated with just "true experience" puts you among those fearful of losing their station, of losing their jobs - or among those competing to get new jobs;
contrast the "employee types" with those, who in seeking the unreal (hallucinations), are not living up to their own sense of what is valuable.

for me this stanza highlights that this polarized distinction (Re: True experience/hallucinations) is itself a foolish distraction from the goal of intimacy (and the chaotic joyous magic of intimacy), but that foolish distraction is normal and when we see foolishly distracted people we should be compassionate.

most of the time we do forget what our goal is; we go back to sleep.


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Re: True experience/hallucinations. [Re: redgreenvines]
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Very nice interpetation Red.  Great perspective. :heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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