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Offlinepcubmycol
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DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE!
    #4340451 - 06/26/05 10:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

  So if your using PF tek everyone knows that the dunk n roll is the way to go.. I read around the forums and everyone suggests to put the cake in the fridge while dunking... Well this post is to remind everyone that  :eek:COLD SHOCKING IS NOT BENEFICIAL TO PSILOCYBE CUBENSIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

It can actually delay pinning in many cube strains. The optimal temp trigger for fruiting cubensis is a drop of between 10 and 12 degrees F. A fridge is about 35-45 degrees f. 86-35=51..... This temp would only be benficial for wood loving fungi. So unless you're growing B+ or a non-cube strain, dont put your dunk in the fridge, just put it in a dark closet...

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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
    #4340635 - 06/26/05 11:45 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

ya but if ur house is like 85 when you want to fruit then u have no choice but to put it in the fridge you need some temperature drop. I have never really noticed a difference between cold shocking and not cold shocking.


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4340660 - 06/26/05 11:52 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

IME, pinning usually is delayed by at least 2 days when dunked in the fridge in direct comparison to how long it takes for pinning for a cake dunked out of the fridge (in the same temp the terrarium is).


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Dunked in fridge: 6-8days until pinning

Dunked out of fridge: 2-4 days until pinning


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
    #4340715 - 06/27/05 12:06 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i dunked my cakes in the fridge and they pin almost immediatley...just an observation


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: divinityinfinity]
    #4340747 - 06/27/05 12:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I do also, pins in two days max. I do it because my incubation temps are only high 70's. My first time i did not put in the refridge and it took almost 7 days before i saw pins. Results may and will vary with different setups, how cold your fridge gets, and a host of other factors.


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: prefloppro]
    #4342551 - 06/27/05 12:46 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Well, i mainly use KS as my strain of choice. It hates the cold shock, and so does my personal strain "Jade." Ive just always found it better not to cold shock, some do, some dont i guess. I just notice that everyone talks about dunking, they say to put your dunk in the fridge. Why dont we start telling the newbies to experiment with both to see which works better for them.


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
    #4342585 - 06/27/05 12:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I will put half of mine in the fridge and half in the basement back rooms ( 65 degrees )


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
    #4342596 - 06/27/05 12:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The reason your supposed to dunk in the fridge, is to stop contams from germinating. The water you soak your cakes in will gain some nutes from the BRF, if you leave it sitting out in 85 degree weather for 24 hours, thats prime oportunity for a contam to start up in the water and threaten the cake. Its not a huge risk doing it out of the fridge, but thats why alot of people who dunk cakes do so in the fridge, not for the cold shock aspect. I also think a more colonized jar is more apt to pin, so not needing a cold shock, its older and stopped veg growth. Cold shcoking either way shouldnt be done to induce pinning, just stop the veg cycle. If the veg cycle is already stopped then itll slow things down, if not, it can speed things up.


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4342643 - 06/27/05 01:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

thanks scatman... good info. :thumbup: :thumbup:

  Ive also heard of dunking in a 3% h2o2 solution but never tried it. In all my experience growing though, ive only had 2 run ins with contams (in the past 3 years, before that i wasnt very good at keeping things sterile) One on a cake during its 4th flush, and the other on a rye casing after the second flush. So i guess this is why im less inclined to worry about contams when im dunking.

    KS has such a strong mycelial network that i think dunking in the fridge is unnessesary. I also use sterile water to dunk in though, some people just take short cuts and fill up a jar with tap water and stick the cake in.


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
    #4342887 - 06/27/05 02:17 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

well can you just dunk in 100%, 3% h2o2? in a tub I read Amazonian likes cold shock. Can any one tell me if it is true? I know OFF topic question just wan to know.


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: thremix]
    #4342896 - 06/27/05 02:20 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I have heard that Amazonian likes a cold shock as well, not sure on the facts though, i have just read that a few times.

h2o2 is already 3%. So i believe you would dunk in 3% h202 solution, 97% natural spring water.


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
    #4343042 - 06/27/05 02:48 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

No cubes like cold shocks.

Cold shocking is way over rated. If everything was done within a range that works, a 5 or 7 degree temp drop, fresh air exchange & a decent light cycle ......and they should fruit like gangbusters.

Where in nature, where cubes fruit naturally, do you see anything like a temp drop that a refrigerator provides (you don't).

Lousy genetics from going out far to many generations of G2G, or overheating spawn or substrate while incubating is what damages the fruiting mechanism of cubes.

That is why some don't pin or fruit - well.

Cold shocking isnt going to cure those defects.


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: agar]
    #4343066 - 06/27/05 02:52 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

THANKYOU AGAR!

Finally got a big dog in here who agrees.

One question though, would cold shocking benefit B+? I know that cold shocking is only beneficial to wood loving fungi. B+ can grow on wood because of its relation with azures. When it is growing on a pf cake though, would it take on all of its cube like genetics and not benefit?


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
    #4343092 - 06/27/05 02:59 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I don't agree...

I have always cold shocked cakes in the frig...while dunking.

and I usually have them fruiting in 4 days after the cold shock.

I have probably done more cakes than...anyone in this thread.

and if my memory isn't too far gone...agar has never done cakes.

cakes are different than casings and bulk grows...I don't cold shock my casings and bulk grows.

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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: Roadkill]
    #4343138 - 06/27/05 03:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

True, I am no cake guy. So, there may be a differance.

But, why would there be?

It's still a cube & substrate is substrate.

I understand dunking = rehydration.

Has anyone done cakes, same strain, same sub, same grow enviroments. Then cold shocked half the cakes & not the other half to see what the differance might be?


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: agar]
    #4343181 - 06/27/05 03:20 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

yes... i posted the results above...

IME
Dunked in fridge: 6-8days until pinning

Dunked out of fridge: 2-4 days until pinning

This is with KS


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: agar]
    #4343187 - 06/27/05 03:22 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I have done this...experiment.

6 South American cakes...dunked and in the frig for a cold shock.

6 South American cakes...just dunked...no cold shock in the frig.

6 South American cakes...no dunk...put in the frig for a cold shock.

6 South American cakes...no dunk...put straight into the fruiting chamber.

all the cakes were labeled and put into the same fruiting chamber...with the same growing conditions.

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Guess which ones fruited first...

The ones that were dunked and cold shocked!~

I will say that other strains might not like being cold shocked.

but I have played around with cakes for years...and most do...IME.

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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: agar]
    #4343189 - 06/27/05 03:23 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Funny story: I have 4 cakes dunking in the fridge right now! I was planning on doing more when they finished, but just for kicks I could try dunking them outside the fridge for the purposes of scientific inquiry. Then, I'll just keep an eye on which ones were dunked where, and compare the results (I've been keeping pretty detailed lab notes anyway).

Unless if someone knows the answer off the top of their head anyway, of course...


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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: WillieTomg]
    #4343237 - 06/27/05 03:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

and I usually have them fruiting in 4 days after the cold shock.




Ditto.

Mine do better when I don't cold shock.

I can't get these shiitake to fruit, but Cubes :smirk:

Never needed such a huge drop in temp. - EVER.

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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4343486 - 06/27/05 04:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I don't neccesserily think that the cold shock itself is the aid in fruiting, as is the evaporation that happens from the warm up after the cold shock. Just recently I put 3 tubs outside because of fruiting problems. It got down to 50 or so at night and during the day around 80. Damn if it didn't work or help. I have a hard time believing that a cold shock helps a tropical species switch into fruiting gear, but I know for a fact that evaporation helps to induce pinning for cakes and tubs.


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