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pcubmycol
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: Hotnuts]
#4343500 - 06/27/05 02:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanx for the info everyone. It looks as if everyone is split on this topic... even the big dogs. So the best thing to do when dunking id say, is do that experiment that I did, and that RK did. dunk all your cakes, cold shock half, and see what works best for you with each specific strain you do. Then post a reply to let us know your results and make sure to include the strain you're using.
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
#4343511 - 06/27/05 02:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Honestly, you should always dunk your cakes in the fridge. This helps to slow down bacteria while dunking.
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: Hotnuts]
#4343534 - 06/27/05 02:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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How do you dunk a myco bag?
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: Hotnuts]
#4343641 - 06/27/05 03:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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hotnutz said: Honestly, you should always dunk your cakes in the fridge. This helps to slow down bacteria while dunking.
why not just dunk with a 3% h202 solution then? Why slow pinning instead?
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
#4343702 - 06/27/05 03:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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pcubmycol said:
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hotnutz said: Honestly, you should always dunk your cakes in the fridge. This helps to slow down bacteria while dunking.
why not just dunk with a 3% h202 solution then? Why slow pinning instead?
Again that is your opinion, there good reasons for both.
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: prefloppro]
#4343743 - 06/27/05 03:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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as is the evaporation that happens from the warm up after the cold shock
Cold shocks have nothing to do with water
It's about dropping the temp. to help ionitiate pinning...
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: prefloppro]
#4343754 - 06/27/05 03:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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prefloppro said:
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pcubmycol said:
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hotnutz said: Honestly, you should always dunk your cakes in the fridge. This helps to slow down bacteria while dunking.
why not just dunk with a 3% h202 solution then? Why slow pinning instead?
Again that is your opinion, there good reasons for both.
i agree... i should've added the "IMO"
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
#4343941 - 06/27/05 04:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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>One question though, would cold shocking benefit B+? I know that cold shocking is only beneficial to wood loving fungi. B+ can grow on wood because of its relation with azures.
What is all this crap marketing you've heard? B+ is no more related to Azures then any other cubie. It can no more grow on wood then any other cubie. ASFIK, cubies will colonize wood, but not fruit well from it. They certainly arent Azure relatives or wood loving, or cold loving (which is why you shcok ps cyans and azures, not because they're wood loving, but because theyre cold loving). I'd be carful with a vendor if it was one that told me something like that..
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: scatmanrav]
#4343990 - 06/27/05 04:26 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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ive read in a few different places that you can grow B+ in the same way you would grow azures. A friend of mine showed me a picture somewhere of some B+ fruiting outside while it was snowing, so i believed it to be true.
after searching around, i cannot find this pic or the info again... therefore, im the ass on this one.
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
#4344000 - 06/27/05 04:29 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well confusion happens, I thought it was some website trying to sell B+ as azures or something, didnt want you thinking that. Like the whole Blue Meanies thing (used to be Cope Cyans, now a cubie BM exists too, marketting gimick).
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: scatmanrav]
#4344021 - 06/27/05 04:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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scatmanrav said: Well confusion happens, I thought it was some website trying to sell B+ as azures or something, didnt want you thinking that. Like the whole Blue Meanies thing (used to be Cope Cyans, now a cubie BM exists too, marketting gimick).
ya that BM thing pisses me off. but no, it wasnt from a vendor, probably just some bad info circulating around on some forums somewhere. Unless you really can grow B+ like azures, but now that i think about it, i doubt it.
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
#4344268 - 06/27/05 05:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cold Shocking is defintley the way to go, not just by my own expierience , but many many other peoples, idn how much of a benefit it is but 98% of the time it helps, thnks roadkill for providing hard facts on this earlier in the thread. Because this debate comes up like every month or 2. lol LataZ
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: pcubmycol]
#4344898 - 06/27/05 08:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well I just saw this thread and have seen this stuff posted many times. Myself I tend to think it may be strain related. I did do a little test a while back with South American and Puerto Ricans as the test strains.
90 brf cakes were done up with 45 in the fridge and 45 not. Almost everyone of the fridge cakes beat the ones not in the fridge by two days. At this point who cares about two days but when your new two days seems like two years.
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: agar]
#4350233 - 06/29/05 11:12 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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AGAR = No cubes like cold shocks.
Cold shocking is way over rated. If everything was done within a range that works, a 5 or 7 degree temp drop, fresh air exchange & a decent light cycle ......and they should fruit like gangbusters.
Where in nature, where cubes fruit naturally, do you see anything like a temp drop that a refrigerator provides (you don't).
Lousy genetics from going out far to many generations of G2G, or overheating spawn or substrate while incubating is what damages the fruiting mechanism of cubes.
That is why some don't pin or fruit - well.
Cold shocking isnt going to cure those defects.
yeah, however, it seems that we do a lot of stuff to mushrooms here that wouldnt happen naturally to speed up and increase the process.
Do you think mushrooms grow in nature in completely sterile conditions free of bacteria, mold, or other organisms ; kept at a constant temp of 82 degrees with 100% humidity in plastic and glass contraptions sprayed with Lysol?
no, but its been found that doing these things increases the speed and yeild of the growth. Cold shocking might not happen in nature, but it very well could be an adaptation thats been found to work
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divinityinfinity said: yeah, however, it seems that we do a lot of stuff to mushrooms here that wouldnt happen naturally to speed up and increase the process.
Do you think mushrooms grow in nature in completely sterile conditions free of bacteria, mold, or other organisms ; kept at a constant temp of 82 degrees with 100% humidity in plastic and glass contraptions sprayed with Lysol?
no, but its been found that doing these things increases the speed and yeild of the growth. Cold shocking might not happen in nature, but it very well could be an adaptation thats been found to work
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: CLUTCH]
#4350260 - 06/29/05 11:22 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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You've got to be kidding me.....
Outdoors grow faster and if grown synthetically, maybe more potent, but that's about it.
Cubes don't like to be cold shocked.
Ever found a cube in NC or a cooler state?
Not really, you typically find AZURES, and other Cold Loving fungi.....
Good luck with cold shocking your P.Cube cakes.
LAGLAGLAGLAGLAGLAGLAG...
How is it that this question comes up about every week and debated so hardcore?...
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
#4350285 - 06/29/05 11:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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IGnosticAbhorI said: You've got to be kidding me.....
Outdoors grow faster and if grown synthetically, maybe more potent, but that's about it.
Cubes don't like to be cold shocked.
Ever found a cube in NC or a cooler state?
Not really, you typically find AZURES, and other Cold Loving fungi.....
Good luck with cold shocking your P.Cube cakes.
LAGLAGLAGLAGLAGLAGLAG...
How is it that this question comes up about every week and debated so hardcore?...
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well then why do people do it?
if something is completely without merit, if it does not work at all, my guess is that people would not bother doing it. For some people its been shown to work.
I think its completely feasible that some strains would like to be shocked and others wouldnt. Yeah they are the same genus but they grow all over the world so it makes complete sense they would like (or not dislike) different growing conditions. Pine trees are all of the same genus but some can survive and thrive on colder temps than others.
Im just saying that if it absolutley doesnt work, i dont think anyone would do it.
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
#4350290 - 06/29/05 11:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've placed old cakes, CONTAM-ed cake, and new cakes in the yard all the time.
They ALWAYS fruit FASTER, Plus, mold somehow just Disappears, and the whole wind factor is def. a big part.
Ok, I'm done, Trying to get a point across w/o sounding like an asshole
Good luck w/ the cold shocks.
Take this in adv. cult..
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Re: DONT PUT YOUR DUNK IN THE FRIDGE! [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
#4350304 - 06/29/05 11:34 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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well then why do people do it?
1.)Your house, Harbors Way more germs,mold, and bacteria than outdoors. So one must do what he/she can do...to keep it more like the outdoor. Believe it or not, but MOST peoples houses aren't as "clean" as outside. Much dust and such just collects.
2.)Cold shock...Because they say(statments ect ect) to drop the degress by about 7-10F and most people can't get that for whatever reasons......So they just stick it in the fridge...Then someone comes along and says how great it works when they had NO CONTROL, they don't know the First thing about experimenting and try to prove it. Just b/c you do something once w/o a control, doesn't make it Fact.
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divinityinfinity said: well then why do people do it?
Im just saying that if it absolutley doesnt work, i dont think anyone would do it.
As I said in like the fifth post:
"The reason your supposed to dunk in the fridge, is to stop contams from germinating. The water you soak your cakes in will gain some nutes from the BRF, if you leave it sitting out in 85 degree weather for 24 hours, thats prime oportunity for a contam to start up in the water and threaten the cake. Its not a huge risk doing it out of the fridge, but thats why alot of people who dunk cakes do so in the fridge, not for the cold shock aspect."
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