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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
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I guess some people need excitement to watch a film.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Vvellum]
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Not excitement necessarily. Interesting subject matter will do. Or a plot. Or interesting characters. Or dialogue.

The fact of the matter is that if the movie had been set in ... say... Iowa, it would have been a bomb of gigantic proportions. The ONLY thing it had going for it was the exotic setting of modern urban Japan.

"Hey, look! Isn't that Japanese talk show host weird-looking! Haw haw haw!"

"Oh cool... flower arranging. I always wanted to try that."

"Wow.... that Japanese director of TV commercials is just as phony as the American directors of TV commercials! I guess it really is a small world after all."

But once you get past that, the characters, plot (or lack thereof), issues addressed, dialogue, and arty closeup shots of the girl mooning around in her room are so blah that there's just nothing there.

Again, I will repeat there are some good moments. Emphasis on "moments". But the movie as a whole is at best mediocre.



Phred


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
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I guess you didnt get the film...at all.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Vvellum]
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I "got" it.

Just because a film has a message doesn't automatically mean it is a good film or an interesting film. I found it excruciatingly boring. So did my girlfriend, and believe me we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things. So did Ellemyshade and a few others who have commented here.

I'm glad you liked it and that you don't regret the money you spent and the time you invested to see it. But if I could go back in time and reclaim those hours and dollars I invested in watching it I'd do it in a heartbeat. Life's too short and there are far too many good movies I haven't seen yet.



Phred


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
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from your lame film synopsis, no, I don't think you got the film.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Vvellum]
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If he feels this movie was carried by it's setting, then no, he really did'nt catch it. I think it actually could have been better if it had been set in a place like Iowa, it would have stood on it's own more, makeing the movie that much stronger, but of course the story would have to be a bit different in this case, whatever. Urban Japan's not all that exotic. It's certianly not for everyone though. If you bored with this movie it's possible that you are just not letting yourself get completley into it. Too much other stuff on the mind to let it suck you in, you know? With this film you really need to get inside the minds of the charecters and try to feel what they are experiencing. I dunno, just cause you get it don't mean your going to like it, but I really don't belive, judgeing by the "lame film synopsis" of phred, that he new what the hell was going on. To say that it lacked interesting subject matter or interesting charecters proves this point to me. Probably why he was so bored.  :smirk:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
Not excitement necessarily. Interesting subject matter will do. Or a plot. Or interesting characters. Or dialogue.

The fact of the matter is that if the movie had been set in ... say... Iowa, it would have been a bomb of gigantic proportions. The ONLY thing it had going for it was the exotic setting of modern urban Japan.

"Hey, look! Isn't that Japanese talk show host weird-looking! Haw haw haw!"

"Oh cool... flower arranging. I always wanted to try that."

"Wow.... that Japanese director of TV commercials is just as phony as the American directors of TV commercials! I guess it really is a small world after all."

But once you get past that, the characters, plot (or lack thereof), issues addressed, dialogue, and arty closeup shots of the girl mooning around in her room are so blah that there's just nothing there.

Again, I will repeat there are some good moments. Emphasis on "moments". But the movie as a whole is at best mediocre.



Completely agreed.  :tongue2:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Vvellum]
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I thought it was a great film. It's been a while since though so I can't remember exactly what it was I liked about it so much. I remember the emotions that came across in the film came across very real and moving. Even just the moments of silence. And Pinky/Phred, it had nothing to do with the Japanese setting for me.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said:
I just adblocked your obtuse, annoying blinking things - I wish I done it earlier.


Adblocking an avatar! Now why did I never think of that? :doh:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Tao]
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something just have to be done man.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Vvellum]
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:werd:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: emptywisdom]
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I didn't say the movie was "carried" by its setting, I said that it was the only part of the movie that was even slightly interesting and that it would have been a bomb if set in in Iowa. Even the title is a misnomer, fa cryin' out loud. There is no translation to get lost in, really. The Japanese are nothing more than background setting and no attempt is made to examine the differences between the subjects of the movie (Murray and Johanssen) and those who surround them for the week. None of their angst or anomie or depression or world-weariness or soul-searching or boredom or whatever has anything to do with the fact that they are in Tokyo. It could have been set anywhere.

Just for the hell of it I went to imdb.com and checked the reviews of this turkey. Even though the overall rating was 7.9 out of ten, with pages of people rating it 9 or 10 out of 10, there were also pages and pages of people rating it 1 out of 10, with several people swearing they would have rated it 0 out of 10 if the option had been there. This appears to be a movie one either loves or hates. I didn't see a single review between 2 and 8 (although I didn't check every single rate) -- all were either 1, 9, or 10. This is pretty unusual.

I read maybe two dozen of the reviews and have to say that those rating it a one "got" the movie better than those rating it a ten.

As is the case with art, music and novels, rating movies is a very personal thing. What some love others hate. But to dismiss negative reviews of this turkey by claiming the reviewer didn't "get" it is just arrogance. There wasn't a whole lot to "get", and it certainly takes no great deal of effort to "get" what is there to be gotten. It's just that the presentation of what little content there is to be gotten is tedious and excruciatingly boring. Yes, Johanssen's character is regretting her decision. I get it. Yes, Murray's character is world weary and perhaps regrets decisions he has made. I get it. Yes, the two of them sense a common bond and start to enjoy each others' company while sitting in limbo waiting for their week to end. I get it. Yes, Johanssen looks great in her underwear. I get it.

The problem is that I -- and many, many others -- found the process of "getting" it to be one of enormous boredom. It's a freaking BORING movie.



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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
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i think lost in translation is a movie about identity.

ive never realted so deeply to a charecter in film before than bill murrays charecter in LIT.

the feeling of just needing to be wanted, yets no one will tell you what you need to hear.  and you cannot ask for this type of solace, because that cheapens it, in fact makes it immaterial to you.

so you go out and party or do whatever it is that you do, but when youre done, you sit down... and it doesnt change anything.  you are still who you are, and you still desire the same things.  life didnt move.

"fun" is nothing but a diversion.  in this movie you can see that plain as day, because of the foreign element... they cannot realte to any of the fun there having, there just eeking it out, because they "should" be.

ive been in that womans shoes also, and it too seemed like a very familiar place for any younger person to be in todays society (american society).

out of college questioning yoru decisions, and yes, your very humanity at that.  what culture to you have to grasp on but flimsy straw men arguments from left and right wing christians these days?  she too sought the diversion to her problems, and at teh end of the night they sat there and nothing ahd changed.  life hadnt even moved.

beautiful movie.  i give it 10/10.

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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
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Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
Even the title is a misnomer, fa cryin' out loud. There is no translation to get lost in, really.



Phred


did you miss the part where they have relationships with there spouses? and they dont know how to communicate there feelings to them?

its not about being lost in japanese translation, its about being lost in human translation.


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Todcasil]
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I liked the part where he touches her ankle.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Elvish]
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:smirk:

yes actually... that is a good part :heart: hehe

an accurate portrayal of the start of a couple of my relationships :laugh:


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
I didn't say the movie was "carried" by its setting, I said that it was the only part of the movie that was even slightly interesting and that it would have been a bomb if set in in Iowa.


You did'nt say it was "carried" by it's setting with your words, but you said it, without a doubt, and to reiterate my point for me (thank you, btw) you just repeated it in this quote. This observasion further solidifys my opinion that you simply missd what was going on in the film. If you can't understand how a point can be made beyond the simple words used, I don't see how you could understand the sublte relationship quirks, imagery, and most important, wordless dialouges that dominate this movie and make it such a beautifull piece of subtle art. Mabey i'm just an idiot and really feel moved by boring, meaningless movies about nothing, but I'm going to be bold here and suggest that the former is more likely than the later.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
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the presentation of what little content there is to be gotten is tedious and excruciatingly boring. Yes, Johanssen's character is regretting her decision. I get it. Yes, Murray's character is world weary and perhaps regrets decisions he has made. I get it. Yes, the two of them sense a common bond and start to enjoy each others' company while sitting in limbo waiting for their week to end. I get it. Yes, Johanssen looks great in her underwear. I get it.
The problem is that I -- and many, many others -- found the process of "getting" it to be one of enormous boredom. It's a freaking BORING movie.


:lol: That was the best thing about that movie... the shot with her in her panties. :penis:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Adamist]
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*shots... lots of them

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
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As is the case with art, music and novels, rating movies is a very personal thing. What some love others hate. But to dismiss negative reviews of this turkey by claiming the reviewer didn't "get" it is just arrogance. There wasn't a whole lot to "get", and it certainly takes no great deal of effort to "get" what is there to be gotten. It's just that the presentation of what little content there is to be gotten is tedious and excruciatingly boring. Yes, Johanssen's character is regretting her decision. I get it. Yes, Murray's character is world weary and perhaps regrets decisions he has made. I get it. Yes, the two of them sense a common bond and start to enjoy each others' company while sitting in limbo waiting for their week to end. I get it. Yes, Johanssen looks great in her underwear. I get it.



First of all, you didnt get it.... sorry, but you still have yet to get it, even with everyone pointing it out. I really despise it when people make flagrant negative objections to movies/art/music (since it takes far less thought to criticize something than support it) with no real basis, and then hop on the "very personal thing"/"art is subjective" defense. There was something to "get" with that movie, as with most art. It isnt arrogance (maybe a tad pretentious....because we got it) that we are saying you didnt "get" it if you didnt like it; you can dislike the movie, and still "get" the movie. When I tell you that you didnt "get" it, it is much like the same "you didnt get it" when someone says "classical music is boring/dumb/slow evolving, thats why I dont like it".
Furthermore, your synapsis of you "getting" it was on par with an 8th grade evaluation of Chaucer. A movie is comprised of set, setting, lighting, plot, characters, dialogue, and perspective... your synapsis focused on one aspect of a few select scenes of the movie: the emotions of the characters.... so, no... you didnt get it, go back and try again...

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