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OfflineMighty Bop
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Is This True?
    #4116513 - 04/30/05 11:03 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I am actually talking to a friend right now about this subject. He says farmers nowadays feed their cattle stuff which prevents shrooms from growing off the patties. I heard about this before but didn't know if it was true. I thought it was a myth. Now that I think about it don't cows eat grass all day long? Or do they eat some sort of feed which could be altered?


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Re: Is This True? [Re: Mighty Bop]
    #4116580 - 04/30/05 11:22 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I have heard this before. But most people here say it isn't so. I had one pastute that produced year'round , day or night. Then all of the sudded I started to notice different types of grain in the feces & coinciding the field STOPPED producing altogether. I have also noticed salt licks in the pasture. I have heard that a salt lick ( if that is what it really is)also acts as a growth inhibiter for fungi.


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Re: Is This True? [Re: Urb]
    #4116712 - 04/30/05 11:57 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

i would say not true- My dad is a farmer and the last thing on his mind is mush growing out in his pastures.. Maybe what they feed the cattle prevents them from growing.. but its not For that reason which i think is where the " Myth " comes in


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Re: Is This True? [Re: cube428]
    #4116844 - 05/01/05 12:35 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

yes i have looked into this. some states require it be fed to the cows. but it is more expensive so farmers dont like it. also it CANNOT be used on dairy cows, as the fungicide spoils the milk.


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Re: Is This True? [Re: SilverSurfer]
    #4117687 - 05/01/05 05:40 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I've gotta call bullshit on that rumor unless anyone can cite a legitimate source.


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Re: Is This True? [Re: Signo]
    #4117796 - 05/01/05 06:50 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I don't know about legislation in the US, but it appears nonsensical and ecologically extremely questionable that a government would require farmers to deliberately prevent mushrooms from growing in their pastures. This would certainly be a nice one for Greenpeace and other environmental zealots.

Moreover, if these fungicides that are fed to cattle would be harmful for the general public if they end up in the milk, then the effect on the meat from cattle fed with these fungicides would most likely be similar. Thus, this method would be inappropriate for both dairy and meat stock, which makes the story even more ridiculous IMHO.

As far as I know, there are some farmers about that apply fungicides to their pastures. Not via the food of the cattle, but directly onto the pasture itself. This is not done to prevent hallucinogenic mushrooms from growing, however, but apparently it is meant to eradicate fungi that could be harmful to the cattle or crops.


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Re: Is This True? [Re: koraks]
    #4118573 - 05/01/05 02:13 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

It's a myth. Farmers DO NOT feed their cattle any sort of fungicides, period.
They do put fungicide on the cow patties directly, but never on grass, hay, or other feed. Plus, the only reason a farmer will waste their time to put fungicides on the dung is if they have had problems with ppl picking shrooms out of their pastures.
I have also heard ppl say that the fungicide kills spores. That is also a myth. Fungicides only prevent mycelium from forming, but cannot stop mushrooms from growing out of already present mycelium. I have found shrooms growing out of a cow pattie littered with white, powdery fungicide. They actually had the fungicide on their caps from where they came up through it (but i wouldnt recommend eating shrooms that grow like this, there's a reason they dont feed cows the stuff).


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Re: Is This True? [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4118578 - 05/01/05 02:14 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

EDIT:
I take that back, there are some stupid farmers that feed their cattle fungicides. Those cows get very sick.


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Re: Is This True? [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4119761 - 05/01/05 07:32 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Farmers do not put any fungicides on cow pies. That is rediculous. I studied the habits and habitats of Hawaiian livestock and Fungi at the University of Hawaii's Livestock and Experimental Farm for 8 years and also from 30 years of collecting shrooms in fields.


And I should also mention that most mushrooms appearing in cow paddies grow from spore deposits on the grasses under where a cow shit.

Even if someone sprayed a paddie with fungicide, that would not affect the mycelial growing on the grass and bottom of the paddie. Any fungicides on the top of the paddie would dry up when the sun comes out. Remember that the majority of Cubes and Copes grow primarily in the decomposed manure of cattle.

Farmers do spray antibiotics onto fields in tanker trucks but that causes no harm to cow-paddies.

People need to quit spreading Urban legend about such ideas.

mj


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Re: Is This True? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #4120597 - 05/01/05 09:47 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

I'm from Melbourne, so I hunt subs, generally around garden and flower beds with bark and certain plants that more often than not are maintained by our local council. I've noticed in the past that the council have sprayed some sort of pesticide to prevent/kill weeds.

Out of habit (paranoia?), I generally avoid mushrooms growing in sprayed beds. Maybe I'm just concerned if I take a good dose of subby and feel ego death, the last thought before I dissolve would be - "The fucken council's spray killed me ... not like this, not like this!"


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Re: Is This True? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #4159548 - 05/10/05 11:04 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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And I should also mention that most mushrooms appearing in cow paddies grow from spore deposits on the grasses under where a cow shit.





I read somewhere that the spores are eaten with the grass, mycelium grows in the cow's stomach because there are no stomach acids in a cow's stomach, and when the cow shit's, the pie is already pre-colonized to some degree.

Is this not true?


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Re: Is This True? [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4160118 - 05/11/05 01:31 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

some spores pass through the cows stomaches but it isnt likely to germinate and
start growing mycelium in there, if it did there would be bits of mycelium in all
the poo and all of them would likely grow mushrooms

as for fungicide in the feed, it is in some brands and depending on the
quantities used, storage methods and the environment it's required because it
will mold, the thing is that it's in very small quantities on the feed and that
feed is only a small portion of the diet, the vast majority of farmers that
raise live stock grow their own feeds because a few seeds can yeild a couple
of pounds of grain


as for sprinlking on cow pies, absolutely pointless and far to costly as several mentioned


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Re: Is This True? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4160151 - 05/11/05 01:37 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I showed my uncle this thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4152485/an/0/page/1 (who has over 200 head of cattle) and he laughed for an hour. He said if anything at all it would be in there grain as already stated above to keep the feed from molding.


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Re: Is This True? [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #4160279 - 05/11/05 02:05 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, I just said that, I live in a cattle community, 2 angus ranches withi a few miles, since cattle graze most of the day the grain is just a small portion of their diet


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