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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Thank you! That's all I wanted to get across.

No it's not since you affirm mob action against Muslims.

I completely support your advocation of increased awareness of Muslims. I don't agree with it but I support it, as long as it doesn't differentiate legally between Caucasian American's and any other race.

I honestly observe Black's more carefully when they're around me but I'll be damned if I'll support any legislation against their entire race.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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I wonder who will give their collective apology first... USA, or the Muslims (terrorists) :lol:

:shrug: I doubt either will as their both as right as they're wrong.

Let the bloodbath continue.


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
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RandalFlagg said
1) Somebody who intentionally targets innocent civilians.

Psychoactive1984
1) Abu Ghraib... don't hold the collective belief on a country/minority/group in respects to it's whole. I can post numerous other examples, but I'm sure you're aware of them.



If the people abused and tortured at Abu Ghraib deserved it, then I don't feel bad. If they didn't deserve it, then the American soldiers that committed the abuse should be punished severely.



My point is.... that nobody deserves this, nor would suggest that this is good policy, (unless you buy the whole story fed to us, by the same powers that be that mislead us into this stupid ass war to begin with) as it's only going to further exacerbate the situation. It's all profit oriented, and on the basis of allocation of resources, we can turn this into an ideological battle, as it sounds good with the regional demographics... but it is anything but.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: newuser1492]
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cb9fl said:
No it's not since you affirm mob action against Muslims.



I affirm mob action against terrible scumbags who murder innocent people. I don't care what religion or ethnicity they are. It's just that most of the people doing it happen to be Muslims.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
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cb9fl said:
No it's not since you affirm mob action against Muslims.



I affirm mob action against terrible scumbags who murder innocent people. I don't care what religion or ethnicity they are. It's just that most of the people doing it happen to be Muslims.


Thus by your post you assume most Muslims to be scumbags who murder innocent people. It's important to understand that every human needs to be judged independently.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: newuser1492]
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cb9fl said:
RandalFlagg said:
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cb9fl said:
No it's not since you affirm mob action against Muslims.



I affirm mob action against terrible scumbags who murder innocent people.  I don't care what religion or ethnicity they are.  It's just that most of the people doing it happen to be Muslims.


Thus by your post you assume most Muslims to be scumbags who murder innocent people. It's important to understand that every human needs to be judged independently.


:handth:


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Psychoactive1984 said:
Whoooaa!!!Let's not stereotype people... you don't hear us talking about typical Canadian's (with the exception of OTD of course).

Their isn't more a sense of a typical American, then their is a sense of a typical Canadian. That's not exactly a very constructive approach either.


I didnt stereotype, I'm just pointing out that the views expressed are those of a stereotyped american. theres a difference. I'm not a canadian(actually I also am a citizen of the U.S) but coming from a european and middle eastern background. anyways my simple point was there was too much ignorence going on in this thread, and i'm currently shocked at the defense of torture  :thumbdown:


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: BanJankri]
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Finally someone that acknowledges the power struggle that humanity will ALWAYS be in and embraces the means to come out on top. I am with you Randleflagg, although using the word "facist" is just setting up your ideas to be shot down.

Hitler had one thing correct, he had a vision of securing the world for his nation and protecting his people for as long as possible. A noble goal and he should be honored for attempting it.


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: looner2]
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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: looner2]
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Aye looner2!!! All nations should attempt to obliterate one another and seek planetary domination!

That will better the situation, truly a noble goal worth pursuing... Do you have a bumpersticker on your car that says "I support war", that doesn't make reference to any particular war, as long as it's war for ones country?

Yeah... don't forget how necessary eliminating all the jews were to his nations security :whatever:... Hitler was a genius with stupid ass beliefs, that contributed to not only his demise, but his countries... I see a possible parallel in the making.. however, I won't make it.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: newuser1492]
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cb9fl said:
Thus by your post you assume most Muslims to be scumbags who murder innocent people. It's important to understand that every human needs to be judged independently.


You are not listening to me. I don't think most Muslims are scumbags. However, I think there is enough extremism in the ranks of Islam that it makes me concerned about Muslims in general.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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All nations should attempt to obliterate one another and seek planetary domination!

Ones that have the opportunity to, yes. I wouldn't suggest Nigeria to attempt such an action.


That will better the situation, truly a noble goal worth pursuing... Do you have a bumpersticker on your car that says "I support war", that doesn't make reference to any particular war, as long as it's war for ones country?

I don't support the Iraq war because I think its counter-effective to real enemies out there that could do much greater harm. I am pro-war when the situation warrants it, like 99% of people living in reality.

Yeah... don't forget how necessary eliminating all the jews were to his nations security ... Hitler was a genius with stupid ass beliefs, that contributed to not only his demise, but his countries... I see a possible parallel in the making.. however, I won't make it.

I never said one thing about the jews. I said Hitler had ONE thing correct. Go back to my old post to read what that one thing was.


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: BanJankri]
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BanJankri said:
I didnt stereotype, I'm just pointing out that the views expressed are those of a stereotyped american.



Stereotyped American?  I think you mean "stereotypical American".

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BanJankri said:
anyways my simple point was there was too much ignorence going on in this thread



Because I am wary of a religion and a group of people....that means I am full of ignorance? I disagree.

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BanJankri said:
and i'm currently shocked at the defense of torture  :thumbdown:


I am of the opinion that when you deal with savages, you have to be savage.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: looner2]
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looner2 said:
All nations should attempt to obliterate one another and seek planetary domination!

1) Ones that have the opportunity to, yes. I wouldn't suggest Nigeria to attempt such an action.


That will better the situation, truly a noble goal worth pursuing... Do you have a bumpersticker on your car that says "I support war", that doesn't make reference to any particular war, as long as it's war for ones country?

2) I don't support the Iraq war because I think its counter-effective to real enemies out there that could do much greater harm. I am pro-war when the situation warrants it, like 99% of people living in reality.

Yeah... don't forget how necessary eliminating all the jews were to his nations security ... Hitler was a genius with stupid ass beliefs, that contributed to not only his demise, but his countries... I see a possible parallel in the making.. however, I won't make it.

3) I never said one thing about the jews. I said Hitler had ONE thing correct. Go back to my old post to read what that one thing was.


1) :lol: funny, either way, I don't agree with you.

2) :lol: What real enemies? We're at the top, nothing poses a threat to America in any form... we can pretend it does if believing the hype that we're under attack and dominate or be dominated salestactic works for you... but in all seriousness, their is no threat whatsoever, A vast majority of the population is relatively unaffected by all the "terrorists" attempting to thwart our government, and kill our babies and all that jazz... Now, go to Iraq and look how those people live...

Do a little bit of roleplaying, If you were an Iraqi citizen, are mislead by a group of individuals, an armed force is inhabiting your country, and they've beat and raped some individuals that weren't guilty of jack shit to name a few how would you feel about being occupied? Apply that to the USA, and your current lifestyle, it's not an easy transition, their handling the situation very well if you're ask me.

All and all their is no real threat with the exception of wearing out coined terminology, and making the population bored of certain colors in way of our national color coding threat system. You can say it is a result of our tougher stance on security and all that shit... but in reality, we aren't any safer then we were before the act, our stricter laws only makes it seem that way. It's relatively easy to sell fear, Hitler did the same thing in regards to Jewish prominance in his society, and the fear that they were out to destroy the motherland.

3) You implied it, that was one of his methods in which he conned a nation into believing his power-driven ideology. Further, it helped him to secure his nation.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
I am of the opinion that when you deal with savages, you have to be savage.


Making you (as a country) savages, to be dealt with savagely by savages who will be dealt with by savages savagely.... need I continue?

That leads nowhere.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: Phred]
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You've been on my back ever since I started posting in PAL again - who are you anyway? I have no idea who you are, and yet you are calling me by Zahid, my maiden name so to speak.

I have not flamed Randal ONCE. Speaking to someone in a condescending and arrogant tone is not flaming. If it was, our old friend LDS would have faced many hardships in expressing himself :grin:

If I had flamed him, pinky would have been on my arse like white on rice.

Just relax :smirk:


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: zahudulallah]
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zahudulallah said:
I have no idea who you are, and yet you are calling me by Zahid, my maiden name so to speak.



He is Pinky.  He changed his name.

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zahudulallah said:
I have not flamed Randal ONCE. Speaking to someone in a condescendingly and arrogantly is not flaming.



:razz:

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Ah, ok.

I hope you enjoyed our spirited sword fight with words.

You're still wrong though, because narrow-inquisition style mentalities are always proven wrong by history.  :smirk: :sun:


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Yep I guess your right thats what I meant, excuse my english, it isnt all that good.

I am calling you ignorent because:

RandalFlagg said:
I would say, "You have no reason to be mad at us anymore. I don't trust any of you and I don't trust your religion. Any Muslim that raises his hand against the U.S. from now on will be mercilessly tortured and killed. If you do not currently fear us, you will fear us."



why are you necesarily torturing and killing muslims that raises their hands up the U.S? Should the others have the right to torture and kill the Americans if it continues its policies in the middle east? I dont see anyone other than the extremist muslims you talk about saying that. Your putting yourself in the same shoes as them.

Also remember the curusades? remember the millions of people killing and forcefully converted? so is it only common for extremist muslims to engage in violance?


I am in the opinion that if you think you are so much different from them, and a country that is pressing for human rights, you dont have the right to be savage with the savages. you dont have the right to put members of al qaeda in the middle of new york for them to get beaten to death, you dont have the right to torture the prisoners, regardless of whether they had links to a terrorist organization or not. remember you are not a terrorist organization, you are a state. International relations have developed so much since the dark ages and what your suggesting is a return to those times, with states being barbarous against the "barbarians". nationalism generally leads people to irrationality and you are letting your emotions get in front of logic. as much as you say you dont hate all and only the extremist ones, you are then saying I'm on my guard against muslims, that muslims are all potential terrorists. you certainly have islamphobia, plain and simple. zahudulallah has generally pointed out your flaws about the muslim issue so I'm not going to repeat the debate once more.


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: looner2]
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looner2 said:
Finally someone that acknowledges the power struggle that humanity will ALWAYS be in and embraces the means to come out on top. I am with you Randleflagg, although using the word "facist" is just setting up your ideas to be shot down.

Hitler had one thing correct, he had a vision of securing the world for his nation and protecting his people for as long as possible. A noble goal and he should be honored for attempting it.


what the...
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