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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Phred said:
Next flame I see -- from anyone in this thread -- will result in a ban.


zappaisgod said:
What the fuck are you going on about? Fuck Yusuf anyway.
I don't think we need anybody else who fucks animals here either. We have enough perverts already.


Certainly looks like a flame to me.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: newuser1492]
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Doesn't look like a flame to me. Why do you feel the need to be a snitch? Or is that a flame too?


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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short and to the point, and bitingly sarcastic... just like his deity :smile:


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: Asante]
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Randalflagg said:
I think that confirmed members of Al Qaeda should be horrendously tortured.

Wiccan Seeker said:
You are misled by the media :wink:



How has the media misled me?  These ample terrorist attacks by Muslims did happen.  This causes me to be concerned.  How is that being misled?

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Wiccan Seeker said:
You have never met those people. Never spoken a word with them.  Yet you want to horribly torture them into death



I only want to torture people who involve themselves in the planning or execution of terrorist attacks against civilians.  They deserve it.

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Wiccan Seeker said
the image you have that was imposed on you by a propaganda campaign.



What propaganda campaign?  Extremist Muslims HAVE committed numerous and bloody attacks against civilians.  This is the blatant truth.  Extremism and sympathy for extremism is prevalent in the ranks of Muslims.  This is the blatant truth.  It is not propaganda.

Do you want to see propaganda?  Go look at the Arab press.

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Wiccan Seeker said:
If you were to discuss international politics with Bin Laden over a hamburger at McDonalds you would likely be strongly impressed by his capacity to reason and the logic and perfect sense in his point of view.



I?m sure he is quite intelligent and informed.  That doesn?t change the fact that he has vowed to attack my country and my fellow citizens.

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RandalFlagg said:
For example, I think that Khalid Sheik Mohammed (Al Qaeda's 2nd in command who planned 9/11 and is currently in U.S. custody) should be released into Times Square in New York City where the city residents can do whatever they want to him.

Wiccan Seeker said:
You are calling for a lynching mob.



Yes, I am.

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RandalFlagg said:
I think that confirmed members of Al Qaeda should be horrendously tortured.

Wiccan Seeker said:
You want to legalize the practices of Guantanamo and Al Graib (?)



When it comes to terrorists who have killed or planned to kill innocent people, I think much worse things should happen to them than what happened at Abu Graihb and Guantanamo.

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Wiccan Seeker said:
You get violent fantasies to personally mentally and physically torture them to the death.

You're pretty frustrated about it all, so frustrated that if you were a president of a mideast country.. you would be Saddam, Uday and Osama all rolled into one. Your crimes would abolish democracy.



I would not abolish democracy.  I would not abolish the right for American citizens to vote or to have civil rights.  However, I would abolish human rights for terrorists.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: zahudulallah]
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zahudulallah said:
How many Islamic extremists are there, Mr. Statician?



I have no clue. There are obviously a lot considering the ample people who went through Al Qaeda camps and the multitudes of Islamic extremist terrorist attacks that have occurred around the world in recent years.

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Zahudulallah said:
Why do most people in other countries that have been hit by Al Qaeda don't share your views? Look at Spain for example.



I have no clue. I don?t give a shit what they think. I care about what I think.

If they are not concerned or angry at all that extremist Muslims intentionally slaughtered several hundred of their fellow innocent civilians (in the Madrid train bombing), then that is their business.

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Zahudulallah said:
And what does Syria, a wild card dictatorship like many others outside the Muslim world - have to do with the Muslim religion per say?



Syria is full of Muslims and the Syrian government supports Hezbollah (an Islamic terrorist organization).

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Zahudulallah said:
I try to separate the Muslim religion from acts of terror and murder, and you try to accuse me of having sympathy for them? How does this make sense, Randal?



How can you separate them? Every major attack on Americans in recent years has been by Muslims. Extremist Muslims have committed intentional attacks on civilians all over the world with a high frequency.

And I accuse you of having sympathy for them because you do and it is obvious.

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Zahudulallah said:
Are you saying that Muslims somehow "create" terrorists?



They seem to.

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Zahudulallah said:
You're a citizen in a country whose government has the bomb - a government which you blindly revere as a spearhead in your own personal opinions.



You obviously have not paid very close attention to my post history. I don?t blindly revere my government. I criticize it all of the time and I disagree with most of the things that it does.

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Zahudulallah said:
"Watching" was hardly what McCarthyism was about.



I never said I wanted all of the tenets of McCarthyism enacted. I think Muslims should be watched. I think the more extreme Muslims should be very closely scrutinized. And, I think that Muslims who have planned or acted out violence against innocent American civilians should be tortured and killed.

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Zahudulallah said:
Please remind me again Randal, why the United States has such a strong reliance on Saudi Arabia?



Because Saudi Arabia has a bunch of oil.

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Randalflagg said:
5. To help build and spread democracy throughout the Middle East. If the Arabs could become free, they would not be as mad anymore. If they are not as mad they will be less likely to adopt militant attitudes and therefore would be less likely to engage in terrorist acts.

Zahudulallah said
Then why invade the dozen other dictatorships around the world. Oh wait, they don't have anything resourceful to offer...



Because the possible geo-political payoffs for an Iraq invasion were much higher.

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RandalFlagg said:
7. With Saddam gone the U.S. government can pull troops out of Saudi Arabia without looking wimpy. Having American troops in Saudi Arabia (which houses the holiest sites of Islam) is one of the main reasons that Muslims hate the U.S.

Zahudulallah said:
What you're saying is that 3,000 people died because the U.S. government didn't want to look wimpy. Good one, Randal!



That is part of my hypothesis. I never said I agreed with it.

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Zahudulallah said:
Alot of people hate America, Randal. The vast majority of Europeans, libertarians, liberals, etc. scattered through out the world hate the United States of America. Much of the planet is definately not ont he side of the United States. Are they with the terrorists, Randal?



It?s not the Europeans, the libertarians, and the liberals who are scheming to kill American civilians. It is the extremist Muslims. These other groups may hate the U.S., but it is the Muslims who seem to be more vitriolic and apt to engage in terrorism.

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Zahudulallah said:
Furthermore, you foolishly mentioned "Arabs" in that statement. Do you what people are called who attempt to link a criminal problem to a race? Racists, Randal!!!



Arabs are for the most part Muslim and they are the most prevalent race in the Middle East.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Ample?

I only want to torture people who involve themselves in the planning or execution of terrorist attacks against civilians. They deserve it.

So why do you consistently use Muslims and Arabs?

That dosen?t change the fact that he has vowed to attack my country and my fellow citizens.

As of 1999 when had he affirmed that vow?

I think much worse things should happen to them than what happened at Abu Graihb and Guantanamo.

Do you believe you would feel satisfied if that occurred?

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg , I have skimmed through most of this thread, so you might've already addressed this question;

What do you define a terrorist as? I'm nearly certain that however you define it, it will be more then applicable to some of the USA's actions, especially in respects to the many actions that we have violated in accordance with the Geneva convention.

I'm not anti-us or anything.. but really, we aren't exactly innocent. (Yes, I'm a U.S. citizen, in case you're concerned with someone of foreign birth being critical about your governments actions)


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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your a typical stereotyped U.S citizen showing ignorance all throughout this thread. I would have expected more. open your eyes and read some stuff other than Huntington is the only advice I can give you. just so you know, there are many interpretations of Islam and yes there is islamist extremists advocating the use of violence against the injustices that is in this group. by saying i don't trust any of you or your religion isn't a very constructive approach.


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Just let everything flow, just flow right to the center of everything. You gotta turn off your mind and relax, and then just float downstream...

Edited by BanJankri (04/10/05 09:33 PM)

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: BanJankri]
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Whoooaa!!!Let's not stereotype people... you don't hear us talking about typical Canadian's (with the exception of OTD of course).

Their isn't more a sense of a typical American, then their is a sense of a typical Canadian. That's not exactly a very constructive approach either.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: newuser1492]
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Randalflagg said said:
I only want to torture people who involve themselves in the planning or execution of terrorist attacks against civilians. They deserve it.

cb9fl said:
So why do you consistently use Muslims and Arabs?



Because they seem to be the ones most likely to engage in terrorist attacks. Because they seem to spawn so many terrorists, I think it is acceptable to be wary of the Muslim religion and the Arab ethnic group.

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Randalflagg said:
I think much worse things should happen to them than what happened at Abu Graihb and Guantanamo.

cb9fl said:
Do you believe you would feel satisfied if that occurred?



Yes.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Psychoactive1984 said:
RandalFlagg , I have skimmed through most of this thread, so you might've already addressed this question;

What do you define a terrorist as?



Somebody who intentionally targets innocent civilians.

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Psychoactive1984 said:
I'm nearly certain that however you define it, it will be more then applicable to some of the USA's actions, especially in respects to the many actions that we have violated in accordance with the Geneva convention.

I'm not anti-us or anything.. but really, we aren't exactly innocent.


If you had read the thread more closely you would have seen that I criticize American foreign policy. That doesn't change the simple and obvious fact that there are Muslims out there trying to kill American citizens and I have every right to be on guard against them.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: BanJankri]
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BanJankri said:
your a typical stereotyped U.S citizen showing ignorance all throughout this thread.



I disagree. I view myself as a non-interventionist but wary American citizen who realizes the threats that my country faces.

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BanJankri said:
yes there is islamist extremists advocating the use of violence against the injustices that is in this group. by saying i don't trust any of you or your religion isn't a very constructive approach.


I don't care if it is constructive or not. It is how I view things.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Because they seem to be the ones most likely to engage in terrorist attacks. Because they seem to spawn so many terrorists, I think it is acceptable to be wary of the Muslim religion and the Arab ethnic group.


So by that rational can I say Jew CEO whenever I talk about US owned media organizations? Genetics do not determine a person's personality.

Yes.

At exactly what extent of torture would you feel satisfied. Would that remain the same throughout all the terrorists tortured? Would you feel as satisfied with the first person tortured as the last person tortured. How does that rectify the situation? Is torture constructive?

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
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Psychoactive1984 said:
RandalFlagg , I have skimmed through most of this thread, so you might've already addressed this question;

What do you define a terrorist as?



1) Somebody who intentionally targets innocent civilians.

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Psychoactive1984 said:
I'm nearly certain that however you define it, it will be more then applicable to some of the USA's actions, especially in respects to the many actions that we have violated in accordance with the Geneva convention.

I'm not anti-us or anything.. but really, we aren't exactly innocent.


2) If you had read the thread more closely you would have seen that I criticize American foreign policy. That doesn't change the simple and obvious fact that there are Muslims out there trying to kill American citizens and I have every right to be on guard against them.


1) Abu Ghraib... don't hold the collective belief on a country/minority/group in respects to it's whole. I can post numerous other examples, but I'm sure you're aware of them.

2) Yeah, I have since read more of this thread. You've every right to be cautious and to be on gaurd against them... as do they us for similar reasons. Their is another simple fact as well... Americans are attempting to kill muslims, who aren't even "terrorists" they have every right equally to fear us.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: newuser1492]
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Quote:
Randalflagg said:
Because they seem to be the ones most likely to engage in terrorist attacks. Because they seem to spawn so many terrorists, I think it is acceptable to be wary of the Muslim religion and the Arab ethnic group.

cb9fl said:
So by that rational can I say Jew CEO whenever I talk about US owned media organizations? Genetics do not determine a person's personality.



The proclivity for Jewish people to head corporations doesn't concern me. It doesn't affect me.

The fact that the vast majority of terrorist attacks against civilians are perpetrated by Muslims (especially Arab Muslims) does concern me. This does affect me because they are trying to kill Americans.

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cb9fl said:
At exactly what extent of torture would you feel satisfied.



When they experience horrific pain and suffering.

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cb9fl said:
How does that rectify the situation? Is torture constructive?


It punishes those that have transgressed and it deters others from acting in the same way.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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You've every right to be cautious and to be on gaurd against them...

Hmm you do however government has not right to legislate against any group.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: newuser1492]
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:thumbup: Wasn't suggesting anything to the contrary.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
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cb9fl said:
At exactly what extent of torture would you feel satisfied.



1) When they experience horrific pain and suffering.

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cb9fl said:
How does that rectify the situation? Is torture constructive?


It punishes those that have transgressed and it deters others from acting in the same way.


1) :lol: Extreme opinion.

2) So does martial law, I dunno if you feel that it is justified though.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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RandalFlagg said
1) Somebody who intentionally targets innocent civilians.

Psychoactive1984
1) Abu Ghraib... don't hold the collective belief on a country/minority/group in respects to it's whole. I can post numerous other examples, but I'm sure you're aware of them.



If the people abused and tortured at Abu Ghraib deserved it, then I don't feel bad. If they didn't deserve it, then the American soldiers that committed the abuse should be punished severely.

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Psychoactive1984
2) Yeah, I have since read more of this thread. You've every right to be cautious and to be on gaurd against them... as do they us for similar reasons. Their is another simple fact as well... Americans are attempting to kill muslims, who aren't even "terrorists" they have every right equally to fear us.


Thank you! That's all I wanted to get across. I have every right to be wary of them and they definately have a right to be wary of the U.S.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: newuser1492]
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cb9fl said:
Hmm you do however government has not right to legislate against any group.


Huh?

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