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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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You see, you cant call a "truce" via indiscriminate apprehension of the "Muslim world". The "Muslim world" consists of an array of nations, cultures, and races - people who's only interest is quality of life; the substance of their life being their adored historical religion. It doesn't take a rocket scientist for a third worlder to figure out that U.S. foreign policy is evidently selective. And people who go about their daily lives in nation states like Egypt or Saudi Arabia can only ponder further with rational thought when they see the U.S. talking about "liberation". The art of spin masks the rising ocean.


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: zahudulallah]
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zahudulallah said:
You see, you cant call a "truce" via indiscriminate apprehension of the "Muslim world". The "Muslim world" consists of an array of nations, cultures, and races


There seems to be an undercurrent of hatred or suspicion in the entire Arab and Muslim world towards the U.S. (or so I have seen in my readings). Muslims from Pakistan to Indonesia to Saudi Arabia to England and even to the U.S. have been exposed as having extremist leanings. Muslims have engaged in many terrorist actions during the past twenty years and there seems to be somewhat of an amount of sympathy and support in the Muslim world for this type of stuff.

Because of these things, I don't think it is out of line to give a warning to the entire Arab and Muslim world.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Their religion doesn't have anything to do with it. You're just isolating the majority of muslims further with blatant neo-McCarthyism towards people under the banner of Islamic faith.


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
I am the kind of person that 99.9% of the time advocates freedom and enlightened concepts.

However, when it comes to the survival, defense, and retribution of my nation, I view any actions as being pretty much acceptable. For example, I think that Khalid Sheik Mohammed (Al Qaeda's 2nd in command who planned 9/11 and is currently in U.S. custody) should be released into Times Square in New York City where the city residents can do whatever they want to him. I think that confirmed members of Al Qaeda should be horrendously tortured. I would slather them in pig grease and put them in a cage with mean hungry dogs and then I would probably slice off their limbs with chainsaws. I would send the videotape to Al Jazeera for the sole purpose of scaring all of the Arabs and Muslims that were watching.

I would approach this "War on Terror" completely differently than most people would. I would admit the U.S.'s mistakes and interferences in the Middle East. I would stop doing all of the things that piss Muslims off and I would apologize. But at the same time I would flat out threaten them. I would say, "You have no reason to be mad at us anymore. I don't trust any of you and I don't trust your religion. Any Muslim that raises his hand against the U.S. from now on will be mercilessly tortured and killed. If you do not currently fear us, you will fear us."

Is this bad? Is it weird to have non-interventionist ideals and yet advocate merciless actions in the pursuit of defense and retribution?


big paradox here firstly.
you say 'I am the kind of person that 99.9% of the time advocates freedom and enlightened concepts.'

and then you say 'example, I think that Khalid Sheik Mohammed (Al Qaeda's 2nd in command who planned 9/11 and is currently in U.S. custody) should be released into Times Square in New York City where the city residents can do whatever they want to him.'

your offer is just simply stupid and nothing to do about enlightment.
pure violence.

secondly,
americam media has effected you like what they did nearly to your whole country.
9/11 subject is not that simple.
its not a bout one person,its not about one nation.


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Imagine a husband and wife are in an abusive relationship. The husband continually taunts the wife and often beats her. As some point he realizes the mistake of his actions and quits. At the same time he states, "I won't beat you anymore but don't mess with me or I'll kill you."

Sounds pretty fucking stupid doesn't it.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:

I thought we wanted to spread democracy and to take a genuine interest in helping out mankind.

1) I think that is part of the plan with the Iraq invasion.  I really think the Bush administration wants to spread democracy throughout the Middle East so that the Arabs/Muslims are free.  If they are free they won't be so pissy anymore.  If they aren't pissy anymore, they won't want to blow us up anymore.  I think that this is a part of the administration's strategy.


The USA is afraid of another country gaining power in the region and further monopolizing the oil. It doesn't matter if the region is stable or not, we want it stable under our hand, why we get the cheapest prices in the world (short of the source countries).

2) I was under the assumption that everybody paid the same price for oil.  The only reason that gas is more expensive in Europe is because they tax it heavily over there.


1) :shrug: perhaps.

2) It depends, beyond taxing, I think it's also a higher price altogether (in some cases).

http://www.mees.com/postedarticles/oped/a47n33d01.htm

-Just something interesting to note, shortly before we invaded Iraq Saddam Hussein was talking of (perhaps he did, don't recall) about switching to the Euro for payment versus the dollar.

How expensive is gas though compared to other products?
http://www.vpcga.com/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=152


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: zahudulallah]
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zahudulallah said:
Their religion doesn't have anything to do with it.


Really? Then why are most of the terrorist actions in this world perpetrated by Muslim extremists?

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You're just isolating the majority of muslims further with blatant neo-McCarthyism towards people under the banner of Islamic faith.



I guess you could say that I am. But, I don't really care about isolating people as I am an isolationist. Extremism is so rampant in the general Muslim and Arab population that I don't trust them.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: butterflydawn]
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Randalflagg said:
you say 'I am the kind of person that 99.9% of the time advocates freedom and enlightened concepts.'

and then you say 'example, I think that Khalid Sheik Mohammed (Al Qaeda's 2nd in command who planned 9/11 and is currently in U.S. custody) should be released into Times Square in New York City where the city residents can do whatever they want to him.'



Butterflydawn said:
big paradox here firstly.



I know and admit this.

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your offer is just simply stupid and nothing to do about enlightment.
pure violence.



I don't think it is stupid, I know it isn't enlightened, and I know it is about pure violence.

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secondly,
americam media has effected you like what they did nearly to your whole country.



Trust me, the "American Media" hasn't brainwashed me.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: newuser1492]
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cb9fl said:
Imagine a husband and wife are in an abusive relationship. The husband continually taunts the wife and often beats her. As some point he realizes the mistake of his actions and quits. At the same time he states, "I won't beat you anymore but don't mess with me or I'll kill you."

Sounds pretty fucking stupid doesn't it.


You forgot to include in your analogy that the wife stabbed the husband.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
I guess you could say that I am. But, I don't really care about isolating people as I am an isolationist. Extremism is so rampant in the general Muslim and Arab population that I don't trust them.


Same way in the media, and in certain political spectrums associated with America that justifies our every action, and finds no flaw in our resolution, even if it contained a false premise to begin with.

Example:
Iraq had no WMD's>>Turned to an issue of humanitarian aid>> evidence is slowly being accumulated that Iraq's former WMD's have been shipped to another country>> We attack another country to find out where they shipped their weapons off to next ir order to keep the world safe and free the resulting country of the potential terrorist threat they pose.

P.S
I love that coined term... makes it seem like it's a hell of a lot worse then it actually is.... we're the country with the most "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION"... let's hope another country isn't so anal as to attempt to derail us as we potentially pose a threat to the Earth as we know it as a whole.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Trust me, the "American Media" hasn't brainwashed me.


I beg to differ...

Everything you've said sounded extremely media ispired + personal hate/revenge issues. Also you don't seem to have good arguments for the way you're feeling, but mostly just opinions. Also please educate yourself more on this matter before saying you want people tortured to death etc.

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P.S
I love that coined term... makes it seem like it's a hell of a lot worse then it actually is.... we're the country with the most "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION"... let's hope another country isn't so anal as to attempt to derail us as we potentially pose a threat to the Earth as we know it as a whole.


:thumbup:

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: stefan]
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stefan said:
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Trust me, the "American Media" hasn't brainwashed me.


I beg to differ...

Everything you've said sounded extremely media ispired + personal hate/revenge issues.



Yes, the things I have mentioned are revenge inspired. I believe in revenge and force.

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Also you don't seem to have good arguments for the way you're feeling, but mostly just opinions.



Yes, this particular post is opinion based. So what? I am giving my opinions on what I would do if I were in charge. Am I not allowed to express my opinion?

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Also please educate yourself more on this matter before saying you want people tortured to death etc.



I am educated. The people that America faces are zealots. They cut people's heads off, kidnap innocent civilians, and intentionally blow up innocent people. I think the only way to deal with people like this is to meet them with the exact same type of actions. The only way to deal with barbarians is to be barbarous to them.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
I am educated. The people that America faces are zealots. They cut people's heads off, kidnap innocent civilians, and intentionally blow up innocent people. I think the only way to deal with people like this is to meet them with the exact same type of actions. The only way to deal with barbarians is to be barbarous to them.


Thereby making us barbarous... which in turn would have everyone categorize US by a few decisions made at the top...

With that line of reasoning, we'll inevitably end up being dealt with in a manner similar to that, in those that inflict said action, will get the same. ~A paradox with no end accept the end of us all.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

I recall many event throughout my youth where I've seen others engage in similar behavior... It's why we have gangs, they just don't know when to stop as it's never justified until the opposing group is eliminated. Once achieved, they look to their form of retriblution as an ends to a mean, and it doesn't get any better.

You're more then entitled to your views, I'm just attempting to understand them.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Psychoactive1984 said:
Thereby making us barbarous... which in turn would have everyone categorize US by a few decisions made at the top...



Yes, it would be barbarous. And, because of that I guess we could be labeled barbarous.


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You're more then entitled to your views, I'm just attempting to understand them.


It will be difficult. I am strange.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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:lol: Good... a bit tired of all these "normal" views. :tongue:


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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"I found one day in school a boy of medium size ill-treating a smaller boy. I expostulated, but he replied: 'The bigs hit me, so I hit the babies; that's fair.' In these words he epitomized the history of the human race." - Bertrand Russell

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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You're benightedly burning bridges here, Randal. You hate Muslims, pure and simple. It doesn't matter who they are or what walk of life they hail from, as long as their parents raised them to be faithful to Allah and Prophet Muhammad, you feel justified to yourself to believe that they are potential terrorists.

The reason so many terrorists are Muslims has nothing to do with religion, but rather how Muslims as a whole are treated by the foreign policies of others. Terrorists are simply products of the same religio centric, American fanaticism that has oppressed Muslims for decades.

People like you will be proven wrong by the likes of history itself - just as the McCarthyist inquisition of communists was, the Neo-McCarthyism in regard to Muslims and Arabs of today will go down in the books as another hysterical, puritan move on the part of Americans. With all the "watch lists", unreported arrests of Arabs and Muslims under the patriot act, one has to go back to the days of Roman Inquistion to find a comparable situation.


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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You forgot to include in your analogy that the wife stabbed the husband.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/10/26/MN201774.DTL

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A judge took the unprecedented step Friday of ordering the release of a Los Angeles woman convicted of murder, relying on a new state law that gives a battered woman another chance in court.


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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: zahudulallah]
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zahudulallah said:
You hate Muslims, pure and simple.



I don't hate all of them. I hate the extremist ones and I distrust the intentions, sympathies, and motivations of the general population.

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you feel justified to yourself to believe that they are potential terrorists.



As can be evidenced by the ample terrorist actions undertaken by Muslims from all over the world, they are all potential terrorists in my opinion.


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The reason so many terrorists are Muslims has nothing to do with religion, but rather how Muslims as a whole are treated by the foreign policies of others.



There is truth to that. That is why I would immediately halt all of those meddling and innappropriate foreign policy actions by the U.S.

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Terrorists are simply products of the same religio centric, American fanaticism that has oppressed Muslims for decades.



I never said they didn't have a legitimate reason to be mad.

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People like you will be proven wrong by the likes of history itself -



We shall see. I am merely giving my opinion.

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just as the McCarthyist inquisition of communists was



McCarthy was a grand-standing dishonest scumbag, but he was pretty accurate in his portrayal of the communist threat.

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the Neo-McCarthyism in regard to Muslims and Arabs of today will go down in the books as another hysterical, puritan move on the part of Americans. With all the "watch lists", unreported arrests of Arabs and Muslims under the patriot act, one has to go back to the days of Roman Inquistion to find a comparable situation.


They are a threat, plain and simple. Many Muslims hate my country. Many of them live quietly in my country while holding a seething hatred of it. I don't trust them.

How many articles have I read of Muslims who lived in the U.S., had lots of friends, and "loved this country" only to run over to Iraq to become suicide bombers or something like that? I remember when a Muslim U.S. Army soldier threw a grenade into a U.S. Army tent killing and injuring some U.S. soldiers.

I am on my guard against Muslims. I will not foolishly hold out my arms to people who want to destroy me and my country.

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Re: Am I a fascist? [Re: newuser1492]
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cb9fl said:
You forgot to include in your analogy that the wife stabbed the husband.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/10/26/MN201774.DTL

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A judge took the unprecedented step Friday of ordering the release of a Los Angeles woman convicted of murder, relying on a new state law that gives a battered woman another chance in court.




And would it be wrong for the husband to stop abusing his wife and also keep a wary eye on his her.....for he knows what she is capable of?

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