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Are Claviceps Purpurea's fruiting bodies psychoactive?
    #4012160 - 04/04/05 11:56 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I was wondering whether or not the fruiting bodies from the sclerotia of Claviceps Purpurea were psychoactive?

Also, would collecting the honeydew from young infected rye stalks also have psychoactivity? It looks suspiciously like the distillate I have.

Lastly, has anyone experimented with this ascomycete as a cultivar?


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Re: Are Claviceps Purpurea's fruiting bodies psychoactive? [Re: yogafire]
    #4012173 - 04/04/05 12:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Ergot is extremely toxic, best to avoid.


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Re: Are Claviceps Purpurea's fruiting bodies psychoactive? [Re: yogafire]
    #4012227 - 04/04/05 12:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

ergotism or St Anthony's Fire.

Very deadly.

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Re: Are Claviceps Purpurea's fruiting bodies psychoactive? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #4014878 - 04/04/05 11:50 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Don't touch it be a ride to hell, then it kill you. Either that or make your limbs fall off.


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Re: Are Claviceps Purpurea's fruiting bodies psychoactive? [Re: yogafire]
    #4015870 - 04/05/05 06:03 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Ergot has got two types of Lysergic alkaloids: The simple Lysergamides and the complex lysergamides. "Simple" would be compounds like LSA, Ergometrine etc and they are known as the "water soluble ergoloids". They are useful in childbirth to induce contractions.

If you are of European descent (this naturally includes Latinos, USA racial thinking is fucked up) it is likely you are ALIVE thanks to Ergot: it is likely one of your ancestors made it into this world by a midwife or other witch  :wink: giving ergot steepwater during childbirth so your ancestor could be expelled alive instead of die in childbirth.

Then there are the "complex" or "insoluble" ergoloid. The typical alkaloid would be Ergotamine, most often used to combat migraine headaches and to synthesize LSD.

Both ergoloid types will cause moderate to severe vasoconstriction which in high doses can kill you by acute heart attack or gangrene, where your limb veins are basically pinched shut and the flesh asphyxiates. In the days of old the fingers, toes, ears, noses and limbs often blackened and mummified while still on the body and at one time or another they would indeed come off. Nowadays, if all else fails, the bodypart will be surgically removed before putrefaction sets in.

The simple ergoloids are lightly hallucinogenic and cause the hallucinogenic effects of ergot. But you will be poisoned as well as high. The great find of LSD is that you will get a bout of hallucinogenic ergotism at a dose far below the onset of symptoms of physical poisoning. This removes all sinister properties from the state produced.

There is Right ergot and Wrong ergot
There is Weak ergot and Strong ergot
But all will kill if you take too much

If you shake the right ergot briefly with cold water you will get a liquid that is more toxic but comparable to Morning Glory seeds, but you will be significantly sick as well as high. If you take a reasonable dose and have heart conditions, it may trigger a heart attack. If you are X months pregnant your baby can be born dead on the spot. (yes this can happen with "LSA herbs" too) You may get convulsions and the onset of gangrene. One Shroomery member told of his "LSA herb" experience: "The vasoconstriction was so bad it hurt" In the light of this info that's rather chilling as that was substantial poisoning. If the ergot is dominated by complex ergoloids you will get just as sick but not high at all.

So could you get high off of Ergot? In some cases, yes.
Should you get high off of Ergot? In all cases, no.


If you take rye flour and boil it with water into a sterile soup, inoculate that with ergot spores and sterilely bubble air through it (like in a antibiotics bioreactor) after about 3 weeks the soup will contain 10% wet Ergot mycelium. In theory you could cultivate it PF-TEK style from spores that come from sclerotia that are present in every bag of Organic Rye in often gram-to-kilo amounts.

But this is only of interest to the LSD boys with the high-tech knowhow and the labs that make dreams come true.
It's not of any use to us mere mortals.


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Re: Are Claviceps Purpurea's fruiting bodies psychoactive? [Re: Asante]
    #4017195 - 04/05/05 02:42 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks seeker,

Your post was really helpful.

I, too, have been interested in learning the medicinal properties of this mysterious fungus...

Through indigenous research, I have found ways to make the Morning Glory experience extremely pleasurable. So you think I could do the same with a cold water extractionof the sclerotia?

I still ahve yet to see anything on the net about the fruiting bodies. Can anyone help?

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Re: Are Claviceps Purpurea's fruiting bodies psychoactive? [Re: yogafire]
    #4017572 - 04/05/05 03:56 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Are Claviceps Purpurea's fruiting bodies psychoactive? [Re: gnrm23]
    #4069699 - 04/18/05 08:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, and I did want to thank the old hands for the warnings, too..


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Re: Are Claviceps Purpurea's fruiting bodies psychoactive? [Re: yogafire]
    #4069742 - 04/18/05 08:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Not worth the risks.
But it has been cultivated successfully by both amatures and professionals, with accounts of the growth on one hand and journal articles on the other, so the information for growing them is there.

Taking something like ergot fungus to get high is a bad, bad idea.
Even alcohol is better for you.


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Re: Are Claviceps Purpurea's fruiting bodies psychoactive? [Re: Randolph_Carter]
    #4069782 - 04/18/05 08:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I would never take anything to get "high."

I'm curious as to why nature provided us with this, and insists on infecting our agricultural food supply with it?


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Re: Are Claviceps Purpurea's fruiting bodies psychoactive? [Re: yogafire]
    #4069886 - 04/18/05 08:54 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Why would there be a reason?


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Re: Are Claviceps Purpurea's fruiting bodies psychoactive? [Re: Randolph_Carter]
    #4070007 - 04/18/05 09:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

so that the kykeon could be prepared to celebrate the resurrection of the daughter of the grain goddess!!!
greek women the eleusis temple to this very day, i have been told...


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