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Psychoactive rocks
    #2787691 - 06/12/04 02:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I stumbled into an underground metaphysical shop and started talking to a heavy set lady sitting at a desk. She was an expert on minerals, gems, stones, rocks and similiar matters.. We started discussing this in depth as I browsed through some of her books. I noticed that these materials have some very interesting Folk Lore like psychoactive plants do. I found that each stone is made up of a chemical formula , like what minerals it is and what not.. This got me thinking.. Could there be psychedelic gem stones? Could a simple rock have a profound affect on the mind?? Well i'm not very keen on this subject yet but I started studying an old book of mine called "Planetary Herbology" and discovered some interesting information regarding this subject.. Here I will share with you and ask in return that you share with me any knowledge you may have regarding the chemical composition, folk lore, magic, and all other information you have on rocks.. What rocks are native to your area? How are they used in magic?


Oyster Shell: Ostrea gigas-
Contains: Calcium carbonate, calcium phosphate, calcium sulphate, magnesium, aluminum, and ferric acid.
Uses: It is a sedative, anti infamatory, astringgent and tonic. Used for insomnia , cramps, nervousness and hyperchlohydria.

Dragons Bone: Os Draconis
Contains: (im going to leave this out as it will take forever to type.. Contains similiar chemicals to the following and latter materials)
Uses: Sedative, Astringent, tonic. It is used to treat reslessness, insomnia, irritability, dizziness, blurred vision, short temper, night sweats, and nocturnal emissions.

Pearl: Oteria Margaritifera-
Uses: Sedative Antiinflammitory

Magnetite: Lodestone-
Uses: Sedative, Blood tonic

Fluorite: Floritum
Uses: Sedative, Astringent. It sedates the mind, relives states of extreme fear, mental instability, anxiety, and insomnia.

Amber: Succinum -
Contains: Succoxyabietic acid, succinosilvic acid, benzene, resin, and the list goes on.
Uses: Sedative to treat siezures, anxiety and insomnia.

Hematite: Haemititum-
ContainsL IRon Ore composed of ferric oxide
Uses: SEdative, Antiemitic.

Cinnabar: Cinnabaris-
uses: Sedative , antispasmodic, antipyretic.
I believe this one is very poisonous and can cause mercury poisoning


Seems that the Calcium may be responsable for some of the sedative properties in a few of these. Any thoughts?


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2787703 - 06/12/04 02:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

indeed. magnesium and calcium in certian forms are used to ade in sleep. aswell as to get rid of restless leg syndrome. and this is known in the medical community. so i have a feeling the reason they might work is because as you said the calcium.

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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2787707 - 06/12/04 02:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I was arguing wiht a friend of mine last night about this...  I have no faith what so ever in this magic rock stuff but he had some good points.. I wish i would hav been more "coherent" cause I cant recall his points

That is an interesting list youv got their tho. :thumbup:


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Legoulash]
    #2787725 - 06/12/04 02:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I dont believe in the magic shit either.. Neuro was just nagging at me about this.. But that doesn't mean that I dont wish to educate myself about their lore.. Its no different with plants. I dont really think that if I burn sage evil energy will leave my house or if I carry mandrake I will gain wealth.. but lets just discuss this for knowledge sakes...

Seriously.. Magic rocks??? pffff. dont think so.. but its still fascinating.. and highly subjective.


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2787728 - 06/12/04 02:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

lots of psychoactive rocks in my area, the highest concentration of them seem to be in town, they seem to gather at the corners and they are pretty expensive. up to $1 a mg. these rockes are usually smoked in glass stems and people do all kinds of things to get more :stoned:


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2787782 - 06/12/04 03:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2788052 - 06/12/04 04:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

LOL, the only psychoactive rocks in my folk lore are crack rocks...
other than that, only if you hit one's head with the rock with enough force for him to get the effects and visuals (stars). =D


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2790526 - 06/13/04 07:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Apparently old alchemists believed that raw untreated zircons (not heat treated for colour)that had an element of uranium in, when powdered and ingested, was the secret elixir of life. I'm not exactly sure whether that meant all zircons or just raw zircons from certain areas that had the uranium in it's geological makeup....and again apparently, it makes you pretty sick, has no psychoactive properties, but was considered to be the fountain of youth and to heal you of all ills when the correct quantities were drunk in suspension...Not read up on it myself, but a friend with an insatiable curiosity who had researched it gave me that basic outline. Interesting even if it's complete rubbish :smile:


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2790551 - 06/13/04 08:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't lithium psychoactive?


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2790815 - 06/13/04 10:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The larger ones produce profound effects if taken rectally- even limestone works in this capacity. :shocked:


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: superblingtheory]
    #2790863 - 06/13/04 10:33 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Also you can hit yourself on the head with them.


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2792196 - 06/14/04 01:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I was just thinking about lithium the whole tiem I read the post. And I do belive it is. Well it makes you happy as hell and it is a mineral. There is a lithium fountain in ashland oregon I think.


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #2792239 - 06/14/04 01:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It's some lithium compound(s).

Lithium chloralhydrate, or lithium googelmaverick, or lithium banananafanafofanna or...


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2792251 - 06/14/04 01:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

see, there has got to be some undiscovered rock.. The philosphers stone maybe.. that has some real psychoactivity. .We are discovering new plants everyday that have psychaoctivity that NO ONE would thikn would (petunia for instance)... so whats stopping some Bug or Rock or some Dirt somewhere from having DMT in it?


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2792261 - 06/14/04 01:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't expect to find complex organic molecules that hadn't been created by life.

Also I would expect DMT to break down fairly quickly in dirt or rock.


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2792270 - 06/14/04 01:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

maybe i'm just a bit optimistic.. but this world tends to defy my logic at times.

-hoping for a miracle in nature-


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2792486 - 06/14/04 03:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Lithium is rather toxic, and manic depressants who use lithium are often watched closely. It has been described to me as head cement. Thinking is harder, crying laughing etc.

Nobody really knows how Lithium works in the brain but there are theories.

Glutamate is one of the primary neurotransmitters of our brain. It's called the excitatory neurotransmitter and functions in over 85% of our brains. It literally "wakes up" nerve cells and gets them firing at faster rates than their baseline rate. Lithium seems to protect nerve cells from the excitatory action of glutamate. This is most likely because Glutamate is taken up by nerve cells in the same way nerve cells take up Na and K, as Na and K are vital functioning light metal ions for nerves, they help maintain and change the voltage in nerve cells by the active pumping of them in the cell. Lithium most likely joins in the mix and due to it's different electronic character may provide a slower eV potential in the nerve that hinders the effect of the glutamate. Helping reduce mania that is thought to be caused by this action of glutamate. It's also thought that it helps protect more sensitive cells that help to regulate mania not commit suicide (lyse) from over stimulation by glutamate.

You can't call it a drug in the traditional sense of how we know drugs being complex molecules that attatch to receptors, because Lithium doesnn't really attach to a receptor it is pumped and diffuses like many other metal ion nutrients in our body. Lithium is simply an ionic compound where pretty much all of our drugs are organic covalent compounds. Sure there are others like sulfa drugs that use sulfur ions to interfere with bacterium and others and that's sort of the same "family" as lithium, being simply compounds that break own into an ion that does the work and not really attachs to a receptor as say xanax and our more fondly known drugs do.

If one knows anything about minerology and rocks everything we know of rocks indicates that they're made of minerals which haven't been known to cause any real reaction in the body, by either being around them, rubbed on (except bunko new agers who haven't had their claims tested by science). Rocks are all just semi simple conglomerates of minerals. MgSO4, LiAlMgVa(CO4)3 and other such things, they'll all ionize and produce ions of their respective elements, some of which are highly toxic to the human body. One will most likely never find an organic compound in a rock unless it was deposited after the rocked cooled as most organic compounds will break down before they ever melt or vaporize.


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2792551 - 06/14/04 03:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

This is the first time I have heard talk about psycoactive rocks, but rocks ie quartz and flint are used often in homeopathic remedies.


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: molekyle]
    #2792631 - 06/14/04 04:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Neuro, Very intellegent, unadulterated information as usual. Thanks.


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Re: Psychoactive rocks [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2793222 - 06/14/04 08:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah he is like a walking book of knowledge. He cant be human!


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