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Una
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Claviceps purpurea (ergot)
#5399813 - 03/14/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just found these in a bag of rye. Claviceps purpurea sclerotia.

Here's the biggest one with a normal rye kernel to compare. This is one huge sclerotium.

Now don't eat the stuff or your legs and farms with fall off.
 St. Anthony--Patron Saint of Ergotism
In 857 A. D. the first serious outbreak of ergotism was recorded in the Rhine Valley. It struck the peasants and killed thousands of people. It was during this time it was called Holy Fire because of the buring sensations at the extremities from gangrenous ergotism. The cause of Holy Fire was unknown but the symptoms experienced by the people was documented. The people suffered from swollen blisters, rotting flesh, and loss of limbs.
While ergotism still occured over the following years it did bring some good with it. In 1039 during another epidemic of Holy Fire, a man named Gaston de la Valloire who was wealthy and felt pity for the victims built a hospital near Vienne. It was dedicated to the relief of suffers and to the memory of St. Anthony. Holy Fire was also called St. Anthony's Fire from this point on. Eventually over 370 hospitals would be built in memory of St. Anthony to care for the victims of Holy Fire. The cause of ergotism was still unknown. http://www.plant.uga.edu/labrat/ergot.htm
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Una]
#5399852 - 03/14/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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wow, in a bag of rye bought in a store?
dangerous fungi indeed. but nice find, never seen it before other what is pictures in some books
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Una]
#5399929 - 03/14/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jesus! Yeah man i could probably pull a quart of ergot from a 50 pound sack!!! Maybe even more.... Maybe i should investigate about any health hazards of cultivating mushrooms on ergot layden rye kernels
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Una]
#5399988 - 03/14/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fantastic images. Blows the garbage on erowid out of the water.
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Una]
#5399995 - 03/14/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I see you are experimenting with lighting...
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Una
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I have these two LED spots, 1,5 Watt each. They give very little light, but they bring out the colors really well.
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Una]
#5400245 - 03/14/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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the blue white kinda light?
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Mitchnast
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realistically you shouldn't even be touching those with your skin
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Una]
#5402568 - 03/15/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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very cool! do they grow only on rye?
FH
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: felixhigh]
#5402727 - 03/15/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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they grow on pretty much every grain and grass seed. phalaris, timothy, fescue, all grass you can find ergot on. with rye its most notable as a pest. but is also a pest on wheat, oats, barley, millet, hominy, grits, bulger, couscous, durum not sure about rice.... seems to be a gluten-specific fungus.
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Mitchnast]
#5403066 - 03/15/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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damn, now i know what are those 'strange grains'!
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Mitchnast]
#5403631 - 03/15/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well if they are in grain all grain then whats the deal??? Its so common but is it as deadly as people commonly beleave. Im still alive and well....
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Una
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just found this:
http://www.grainscanada.gc.ca/Pubs/FactsFarm/factsfarmers10-e.htm
The ergot sclerotia are formed in the heads of cereals and grasses in place of the developing kernel. Rye is the most susceptible cereal grain because it is open pollinated. Self-pollinated triticale, wheat, barley and, rarely, oats, are also susceptible but less likely to be infected.
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Grade standards for ergot are based on the percentage by weight of ergot. Canadian standards for ergot range from 0.01 percent by weight for the top grade to 0.10 percent by weight for the lowest grade of most wheat classes. Adherence to these tolerances ensures our grains are safe to consume and that end use quality standards are maintained.
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Una]
#5403846 - 03/15/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok so its acceptable to find the % i find. Sweet!
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haha you can send your ergot my way, ill make use of it
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: shopdropper]
#5405019 - 03/15/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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nah no thanks i dont wanna even come in contact with that shit.
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Gratos
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Una]
#5413248 - 03/17/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just out of curiosity, how big of a bag and how much does the ergot weigh?
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Gratos]
#5413438 - 03/17/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quick, make some acid!
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Mitchnast
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: shopdropper]
#5414143 - 03/17/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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use of it? what, you wanna kill yourself slowly and painfully while you go insane?
A chemist with a degree and a full lab might have some use of it providing he can procure several controlled precursors that will have the feds at your door just by asking for them.
And even then he risks creating a substance that if touched could kill you in a hellish pounding nerual prolapse.
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Mitchnast]
#5414367 - 03/17/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mitchnast said: use of it? what, you wanna kill yourself slowly and painfully while you go insane?
A chemist with a degree and a full lab might have some use of it providing he can procure several controlled precursors that will have the feds at your door just by asking for them.
And even then he risks creating a substance that if touched could kill you in a hellish pounding nerual prolapse.
True, but keep in mind that the ergotamine tartrate is the hardest precursor to get. If you managed to produce a liquid culture of ergot from those sclerotia, you would be able to propagate enough ergot to make a LOT of tartrate.
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Re: Claviceps purpurea (ergot) [Re: Konnrade]
#5414813 - 03/17/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not really...
10g of ET would be enough to make well over a lifetime supply for one individual person.
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