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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: shroomydan]
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Is that bluing on the stem to the far right?

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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: shroomydan]
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are you asking if those are cubes? the ones dried to hell ? yea- cubes- i dont think they are too dry to tell, but thats just me- for the stems have bluing for sure- good job on that

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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: cube428]
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cube428,

If you read all the threads in this post, then you will see that there is some concern that the mushroom in question may be a poisonous Inocybe, yes they can bruise blue. The mushroom in question also drops different colored spores than his other suspected cubes. The mushroom is to dry to ID, and the cracked cap coupled with the off color spore print makes me suspect it is something other than P. Cubensis.

Please be more careful when IDing mushrooms, somebody might take you seriously and get sick or die.

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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: shroomydan]
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MJ SAID:
"Sorry Mitchnast, Inocybe calamistrata is not one of the six psilocybian Inocybes.

The 6 which are psilocybian are the following:
1. Inocybe aeruginascens.
2. Inocybe coelestium
3. Inocybe corydalina var. corydalina.
4. Inocybe corydalina var. erinaeceomorpha.
5. Inocybe haemacta.
6. Inocybe tricolor"

there isnt necessarily only 6 ya know  :smirk:

some of the specimens resembled P. papilionaceus, but its hard to tell. Most of the pics are too dark

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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
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he was specifically refering to the genus inocybe.
and calamistrata does indeed blue quite willingly.

i never said i beleived for sure it was psilocybian, but i know blue when i see it.

heres a pic from the sporeworks (a shroomery sponsor )
of inocybe calamistrata. i see blue, is it psilocybian? i dont know, but its blue.

Edited by Mitchnast (03/23/05 03:17 PM)

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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: Mitchnast]
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Yup. That's blue.

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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: Mitchnast]
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Then someone has misidentified the mushroom.

Probably Phillips:

Phillips, Roger. 1991. Mushrooms of North America. Little, Brown & Co. Hong Kong.
Under the section Inocybe is an alledged photograph of Inocybe calamistrata which has been sliced in half. The mushroom is blue staining throughout the stipe. A second related species Inocybe calamistrata var. mucidiolens is also described as staining blue green in the stipe. Both species have been reported to contain the indole alkaloids psilocybin and/or psilocin.


Inocybe calimistrata is not a bluing Psilocybe mushroom. Gartz once reported that s he had found small amounts in a specimen of Inocybe calamistrata but then went on to say that others who analysed the same species failed to detect any psilocine/psilocybine whatsoever. This would include work by Stijve who failed to detect psilocne and/or psilocybine in five species which Gartz claimed were positive and later found to not be so.

Gartz has previously made five other analysis for other species which he claimed were psilocybian and then other analysis shown do detection of the chemicals.

But I still say there is no psilocine or psilocybine in I. calamistrata.

mj

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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: Mitchnast]
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It seems that yo ae showing two i entirely different Inocybe species there Mitchnast.T he 1st picture looks nothing at all like the second image. I have that image in my fiels as coming form someone named mike. Not sure Mike Who, although I have seen it at AWorkman/s site, I still doubt the identity.

I will post more info on this in a day or so.

mj

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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: mjshroomer]
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looks like the same type of mushroom to me photographed under different lightings. picked this type myself and these images hold true for what ive seen.
do a google image search for inocybe calamistrata and you will find many pictures of this intrigeing little bluing mushroom. which many reputable mycologists seem to think is indeed calamistrata.

of not then what bluing speceis am i thinking of?


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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: Mitchnast]
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your right ShroomyDan-  i should be more careful and I apologize-  its just that the overall dried structure of the gills look unmistakable to " Me " as cubes- 

PeAce  :cool:

Edited by cube428 (03/23/05 09:47 PM)

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Florida Finds Pics of Cubes , Copes and unknowns *Updated* 3/25/05 [Re: cube428]
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I went back to the pasture and searched around the woods and found these.
Side View :


Gill Shot :


Cap Shot :


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Edited by sublimistri (03/25/05 10:14 AM)

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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: Mitchnast]
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Hi Mitchnast, You are right, it is Inocybe calamistrata. And yes it does blue, and no it is not a psilocybian species.

here is a personal note from Dr. Tjakko Stijve late of Nestles about this mushroom.

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Hello John,

It is hard to identify Inocybes from a picture. This one looks indeed like I. calamistrata, but our European sp tends to be darker, especially in the pileus.
The color of its stipe is far more bluegreen than those of those Inocybes that really contain psilocybin.
In his paper "Nachweis von Tryptaminderivaten in Pilzen der Gattungen Gerronema, Hygrocybe, Psathyrella and Inocybe " , Biochem. Physiol. Pflanzen 181: 275 - 278 (1986), Gartz reported indeed psilocybin in I. calamistrata, but in this publication he was wrong on every score!
See :
Stijve, T. & Th. W. Kuyper - Absence of psilocybin is species of fungi previously reported to contain psilocybin and related tryptamine derivatives. Persoonia 13: 463 - 465 (1988)

Better not experiment with Inocybe, which is a damned difficult genus. All of the other species in the genera have high amounts of muscarine in them so be weary. Do not attempt to bioassay this mushroom my friend.

Best regards,

Tjakko

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I have both of those papers if anyone is intersted in reading them.

Let me know and I will scan and post later this week.

mj

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Re: Florida Finds Pics of Cubes , Copes and unknowns *Updated* 3/25/05 [Re: sublimistri]
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Heres new cubes and what im pretty sure is copes again , they are jet black spore prints and they are blueing.


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My Ethnobotanical Garden
Cup Greenhouse Tek. Make small sturdy pots (With detachable grenhouse tops) with cups.


Your human friend will have to dose atropine uninformed, I will not spread information that may harm a cat. - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: Florida Finds Pics of Cubes , Copes and unknowns *Updated* 3/25/05 [Re: sublimistri]
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looks like cubes to me. don't hold me to that, though. i thought a few of yours were cubes that turned out to be something else :/

i have no idea about your suspected copes.

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Re: Florida Finds Pics of Cubes , Copes and unknowns *Updated* 3/25/05 [Re: zSDMF]
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Zsd im positive those are cubes , they have purple prints , blueing , veils. Im unsure about those as copes too , im pretty sure they are tho , they are blueing but not as much as the others did.


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Tradelist
My Ethnobotanical Garden
Cup Greenhouse Tek. Make small sturdy pots (With detachable grenhouse tops) with cups.


Your human friend will have to dose atropine uninformed, I will not spread information that may harm a cat. - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: Florida Finds Pics of Cubes , Copes and unknowns *Updated* 3/25/05 [Re: sublimistri]
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I found another nice sized cube this morning , i think two more copes too , they are blueing alot too. Can anyone give me tips when hunting copes on how to tell if its a cope or not , because i keep finding alot of what i think are copes , but since im unsure i dont keep them.



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Tradelist
My Ethnobotanical Garden
Cup Greenhouse Tek. Make small sturdy pots (With detachable grenhouse tops) with cups.


Your human friend will have to dose atropine uninformed, I will not spread information that may harm a cat. - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: mjshroomer]
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God is MJ annoying.. always arguing and trying to correct everyone. MJ, I wish you'd just chill the fuck out dude.

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Re: Few Finds ID needed [Re: Snobrdr311]
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Its a mushroom hunting forum, we are trying to figure out what species a mushroom is. Maybe you should chill the fuck out, dude.

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