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InvisibleCorporal Kielbasa
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hybrid vigour
    #3944035 - 03/20/05 02:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

aint no shit, crosses are way ahead of a stabelised strain


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #3947490 - 03/21/05 05:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: lackobreath]
    #3950418 - 03/21/05 08:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)


explain ur self if you feel like dissin me. At least prove a point

ok i agree with what you have to say, * me bows*


Edited by SHEIKofSHIITAKE (03/21/05 08:48 PM)


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #3950429 - 03/21/05 08:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

More detail?


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: Organic]
    #3950459 - 03/21/05 08:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ssh x ak47 4 inches (D P x flo) x early girl 4 inches Master Kush just sprouting.


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #3950512 - 03/21/05 08:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

planted on 3/12 the master kush could be older maybe i assume. and it is Durban poison x early girl) x flo, and super silver haze x ak


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #3950892 - 03/21/05 10:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If I am not mistaken, the hybrid vigor only applies to the first generation of seeds produced. Then after that you need to pick a good mom and dad and start stabilizing. This takes a few generations and IMO a stabilized seed is far better in the end. With your hybrids they may have a few different phenotypes, some taller with no branching, some short and multiple branching, some will have better resin production than other, some maybe even hermaphroditic. With these you need to pick the best phenotype out, and backcross from there to create a stable strain. Happy gardening :smile:


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: Kerr]
    #3951021 - 03/21/05 10:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I admire cannabis breeders


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: Kerr]
    #3951182 - 03/21/05 11:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

>>If I am not mistaken, the hybrid vigor only applies to the first generation of seeds produced.

You're right. Heterosis is greatest in the F1 generation and declines progressively with repeated selfing. This has the genetic consequence of making its loci homozygous whereas before it was heterozygous at many loci. Heterozygosity is reduced by 50 percent from the previous generation.


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: neuro]
    #3951801 - 03/22/05 01:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

which in certain aspects i would think being homo is good. problem i would think is knowing what traits are going to be homo and what sort of things it would be a het for. things like bigger bud, faster growing, better temp range etc would all be pluses. but i dont see too many ways other than LOTS of selective breeding to get the negative ones (basically the reverse of the above and etc...) weeded out.

another thing that comes to my mind with any selective breeding is the greater health risks. i sure as hell found out a lot about disease resistance and certain attitude/feeding behaviours in my animal breeding. i read a thing about bannanas and a very big disease threat due to lack of diversity (or so was their opinion).

expect failures, and probably lots. at least with weed, if ya screw up you will probably still have some budd and a relatvly short time loss.


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: kadakuda]
    #3955993 - 03/22/05 10:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

you know, I'm actually really curious about that SSHxAK47 cross... those are two top-notch strains. i'll probably be growing both of those strains in the next year or two...i'd really like to hear how that goes. which is the father?


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: lackobreath]
    #3956800 - 03/23/05 12:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i know very little about what peoplare are doing with marijuana. but the smoke sure is NICE!


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: kadakuda]
    #3956855 - 03/23/05 12:08 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Most of the time recessive traits are generally bad for important loci. So being homozygous recessive is not always all that good. Heterozygosity is has some good qualities to it; Heterozygous for codominant traits or partial dominance or other such things too. Generally heterozygosity selfing resulting in homozygous recessives produces the deterioration.

Lack of diversity of the population is what makes things susceptible to disease. That's a big concern for many cultigens like corn. Most of the corn grown are all genetically exact or practically so. So if a disease springs up we're fucked cause there's no genetic diversity among the population. Heterozygosity in an individual is sometimes good for disease resistance. I'm sure we all know the example of the Heterozygous traits for sickle cell anemia in african heritage. If you' Aa where A is the dominant form of the RBC code and a is the recessive form producing sickle cell anemia. Those people have a better resistance to malaria because not all dominant traits are completely dominant, thus some red blood cells come up as sickle and are removed by the body, so the malaria that lives in the cell is killed off by selective killing of the fucked up blood cells produced by the a. Same principles can be helpful in heterozygosity of individuals which will later produce diversity in other offspring when crossed with other heterozygous inviduals with perhaps different codons.

Failures are often a key. Most often developing strains of anything, especially stable strains are a career long pursuit, i remember professors that were working a whole career on producing Apple Trees that were resistance to Apple Scab blight through crossing and back crossing then crossing with crab apples then back with grand parents to get out the crab apple but keep the resistance that the crab apple had. Time consuming shit.


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: neuro]
    #3956958 - 03/23/05 12:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I took two stable Afghan's the red and the yellow and crossed them then once stable crossed them with a plant that came from lowland and highland Thai (two old classics) added some blueberry on the mom's side then some Durban on the fathers side. Total time to get this stabilized into a form I like....8 years

She does well in many applications

This is my third strain but by far the hardest to stabilize do to the many differences in the strains chosen but in the long run it did pay off.


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: Magash]
    #3957037 - 03/23/05 12:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

makes sense. co dom makes for some pretty trippy shit sometimes. amazing what you can breed in and out through time. may be time consuming, but its amazing how much you keep learning. i stopped due to moral reasons (animals) but man i was so facinated with the whole thing.

nice pics magesh...look liek great results.


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Re: hybrid vigour [Re: lackobreath]
    #3960984 - 03/23/05 07:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Not sure because i didnt ask. They had three strains from a private breeder at the shop. So three strains it was. im only doing two of each for now. Which isnt the best but its all i can do, pick the best of each two and plant another, by the time they are all gone i will have my favorites.


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