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 lateshroom
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 SUBSTRATE FOR OVEN BAGS 
#321124 - 05/19/01 06:22 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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my friend Sterile has sent me some oven bags and i want to use them. the problem is, i don't know what substrate to use. the teks specify a full range of options, from rye to whole wheat, or vermiculite and BRF or even whole rice. based on your experience, what do you think it's best?
and besides that, considering my bags are not autoclavable, but plain oven bags, will i get away with pressure-cooking them?
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 Re: SUBSTRATE FOR OVEN BAGS [Re: lateshroom]
#325122 - 05/24/01 01:51 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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We need some feedback in here :)
...and would birdseed be a good choise?
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Re: SUBSTRATE FOR OVEN BAGS [Re: Sterile]
#325134 - 05/24/01 01:57 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oven bags certainly can withstand the temperature in a pressure cooker.
Substrate: preecooked rye, birdseed, suplemented sawdust-chips, pure woodchips for woodlover-spawn.
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Re: SUBSTRATE FOR OVEN BAGS [Re: Sterile]
#325135 - 05/24/01 01:58 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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i have used rye grain and it worked fine with oven bags. If this would be your first time working with rye i would say blaze a trail and use brf as that tek indicates. as far as pc-ing as long as the bags get 0% water then its ok. try a makeshift foil (or some other handy type) seal in a ziploc.
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Re: SUBSTRATE FOR OVEN BAGS [Re: shizifty]
#325167 - 05/24/01 02:41 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sooo, what do you have to do?
Fill oven bag with birdseed for example, and 1/3 of water,(+ polyfill on the seal)
and pressure cook for 1 hour???
Inoculate-wait-shake-wait-case-wait-fan-wait-harvest-dry(optional)-eat-fly-and then again inoculate....
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Re: SUBSTRATE FOR OVEN BAGS [Re: Sterile]
#325170 - 05/24/01 02:42 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: SUBSTRATE FOR OVEN BAGS [Re: Sterile]
#325172 - 05/24/01 02:50 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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Put rye in hot water and let soak overnight.
Strain and put into bag. Loosely wrap the bag. Sterilize. Let cool. Inoculate. Seal the bag. Shake.
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Re: SUBSTRATE FOR OVEN BAGS [Re: Anno]
#325175 - 05/24/01 02:54 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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Definitely.. presoaking is the way to go, especially w/ bags. Rinse and strain it good before you PC.
anno.. have you had any trouble w/ bad/leaky seals on FP bags? I double sealed some bags and the Reishi mycelium grew right through the seals. Do you get better seals w/ a higher temp on the sealer? thx
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Re: SUBSTRATE FOR OVEN BAGS [Re: lateshroom]
#325180 - 05/24/01 03:04 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://3mshrooms.homestead.com/grow4.html wheat recipe for autoclavable (including oven) bags
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Re: SUBSTRATE FOR OVEN BAGS [Re: egghead]
#325201 - 05/24/01 03:18 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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I newer used FP bags. So I can?t really comment on this.
You get a better seal, if the sealing zone of your sealer is broader. But these get expensive then.
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Re: SUBSTRATE FOR OVEN BAGS [Re: Anno]
#325232 - 05/24/01 03:42 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anno....dont they have to be able to breath??(air exchange) for them to colonize quick?
How come you say seal completely??
Should i soak overnight in hot water birdseed as well??
And what about polyfill as a filter as 3Mshroom says?
Anno i just checked out your site for the first time...
I think its the best and most honest of all ;)
Thank you all for the replyz!!!
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Re: SUBSTRATE FOR OVEN BAGS [Re: Sterile]
#325261 - 05/24/01 04:13 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thin PP bags allow limited gas exchange, enough for colonization.
>Should i soak overnight in hot water birdseed as well??
Yes, or you can also steep it for some 30-40 minutes.
>And what about polyfill as a filter as 3Mshroom says?
Works well, but i?m not sure it?s necessary. You must not seal the bag before pressure cooking though, or it is going to burst in the PC.
Thats?s where polyfill is good.
>Anno i just checked out your site for the first time...
>I think its the best and most honest of all ;)
Thank you!
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