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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Zahid]
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Zahid said:
Hateful?


Yes hateful.

In your own words...
Zahid said:
People killed under Islamic Law are rightly done so....
If you're dumb enough to mock the Holy Prophet and Allah in a Shariat state you deserve to die.


Well I'm mocking the so-called 'prophet' as a delusional child molester who espoused a barbaric belief system only fit for goat herders, camel riders and wife beaters. If there is an Allah, I'm challenging him to strike me down, right here, right now. What do you want to bet that your imaginary friend won't do a thing?


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Evolving]
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What do you want to bet that your imaginary friend won't do a thing?


Can we get some kind of class-action bet? I like these odds.


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?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
-Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'

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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Evolving]
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:blah: :blah: :blah:


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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Evolving]
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Well I'm mocking the so-called 'prophet' as a delusional child molester who espoused a barbaric belief system only fit for goat herders, camel riders and wife beaters. If there is an Allah, I'm challenging him to strike me down, right here, right now. What do you want to bet that your imaginary friend won't do a thing?



:rotfl:

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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Ancalagon]
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Ancalagon said:
Quote:
What do you want to bet that your imaginary friend won't do a thing?


Can we get some kind of class-action bet? I like these odds.


I've got $200 and a case of beers on this one(too bad Zahid is forbidden from drinking it).


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"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire

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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: silversoul7]
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Beer is bad, hmm k.


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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: silversoul7]
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Okay, we've all had our fun, now it's time to get this thread back on topic, folks. It's not about the image problem of the Religion of Peace (TM) but of right-Libertarianism.

pinky


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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Zahid]
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Are lager yeast one of allah's many mistakes?


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Evolving]
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Let's get back on topic, k?


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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Phred]
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pinksharkmark said:
Okay, we've all had our fun, now it's time to get this thread back on topic, folks. It's not about the image problem of the Religion of Peace (TM) but of right-Libertarianism.

pinky



pinky, if you do a left ALT + 0 1 5 3 on the num pad, you can make a pretty good trade mark.

Like this: Religion of Peace?

:tongue2:


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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: silversoul7]
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okay back to their image problem---what they need is a figurehead who is overtly compassionate and argues as a practical libertarian. the type of libertarian like ss7 or evolving rather than a principled libertarian gun nut who doesn't come across as giving a shit about anyone else (what did he say, something like 'i'd shoot someone before they forced me to pay for someone else's health care'?)

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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Tao]
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rather than a principled libertarian gun nut who doesn't come across
as giving a shit about anyone else (what did he say, something
like 'i'd shoot someone before they forced me to pay for someone
else's health care'?)


:cussing:
What!!!  You want me to pay for your health care??!!?!?!
:sniper:

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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Zahid]
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Jesus... sweet Jesus, I'm still alive! C'mon allah, is that all you got? I fart in your general direction, I spit on the shadows of your believers, I blow rasberries into the sirocco of mysticism and laugh at the impotence of a 'supreme being' born of ignorance and fear...

Oh yeah, right wing libertarians have an image problem, they too easily support war on the flimsiest of pretexts and offer support for the ever growing warfare state when they should be taking principled stands against it. They too easily support the monetarist policies of Milton Friedman and Alan Greenspan who pay lip service to liberty on one hand while being tools of the state and centralized power on the other hand. They often conflate increased government efficiency with somehow being on the path towards more liberty - they support privatization of government programs which serve to lessen the liberty of individuals (prisons anyone?). They too often are apologists for corporations when they should be asking the fundamental question of why should legal fictions be given more rights than flesh and blood beings. They give too little thought to ideas expressed by Thomas Paine in Agrarian Justice and the arguments brought up about Royal Libertarians. Well, that's all for now...


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Tao]
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TaoTeChing said:
okay back to their image problem---what they need is a figurehead who is overtly compassionate and argues as a practical libertarian. the type of libertarian like ss7 or evolving rather than a principled libertarian gun nut who doesn't come across as giving a shit about anyone else (what did he say, something like 'i'd shoot someone before they forced me to pay for someone else's health care'?)



Exactly. Hypothetical situation. If a member of the NAACP or Urban League were to step and say "What would the Liberarian Platform to for black america" an accurate response would be "Nothing".

But that's not the answer that should be given. The answer should be, by promoting individual responsibility within all cultures, including black america, we believe our platform and idealology would empower blacks to rise from their current standards and have the pride that they did it themselves. So one day a black man can sit in a corporate office, or own his own business and say with pride.. "I'm the slave, destined to overcome his master".

Or something to that effect. For as wonderful with economics as Libertarians are or claim to be, you'd think they'd figure out how to "sell themselves" a little better rather than being the "alternate right wing party". From face value only.. it's like going to the grocery store and seeing "Republican" cereal in a nice box with a familiar cartoon character's face on it, while "liberatarian" cereal is the crap in the bag at the end of the aisle.

Where the reality is.. Libertarians have the better points of Republicans (or what republicans "used" to stand for or claimed to be.. (small government, pro 2nd amendment, few or no "handouts") and what most Dems/Greens are also looking for.. a way to lower healthcare cost, equality racially, in terms of gender and sexual preference. They promote freedom of speech, where the majority of left and right are wrong, one crying "obscenity" the other crying for "political correctness". The "selling points" thus far, have seem to be dominated by the more right-wing appealing agendas.. and i don't think that's going to do the party any good in the long run.


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The People's Voice, Welcoming Liberals and Conservatives Alike

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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Evolving]
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God  :heart: You

Why you spit at Him?

You sound ungrateful, and angry.


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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Zahid]
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I don't advocate terrorism.

no?

:rolleyes:

If you're dumb enough to mock the Holy Prophet and Allah in a Shariat state you deserve to die

wow. you've gone off the deep end my friend.

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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: ]
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wow. you've gone off the deep end my friend.


yeah, what's happened to you in these past couple weeks :wtf:

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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: Zahid]
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Hah, are you sure? Looks like alot of Islam readers have been the recipient of 500lbs of bad-frigging-news dropping on on them at night.


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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: retread]
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retread, you're only proving my point of position.


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Re: Right-Libertarianism's Image Problem [Re: DigitalDuality]
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I consider myself a moderate libertarian, and the image problem I see is that libertarians put way to much focus on gun and drug liberties. Libertarians often go to extremes in thier views. If the LP is to change its image, and thus gain popularity, then it needs to become more moderate about some of its views. The party should take focus away from repealing gun and drug laws, and focus more on being a moderate party who believes strongly in both a free market and civil liberties.

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