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Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy"
    #3131104 - 09/13/04 08:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Colin Powell in Four-Letter Neo-Con 'Crazies' Row
By Martin Bright
The Observer

Sunday 12 September 2004

A furious row has broken out over claims in a new book by BBC broadcaster James Naughtie that US Secretary of State Colin Powell described neo-conservatives in the Bush administration as 'fucking crazies' during the build-up to war in Iraq.

Powell's extraordinary outburst is alleged to have taken place during a telephone conversation with Foreign Secretary Jack Straw. The two became close friends during the intense negotiations in the summer of 2002 to build an international coalition for intervention via the United Nations. The 'crazies' are said to be Vice-President Dick Cheney, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz.

Last week, the offices of Powell and Straw contacted Public Affairs, the U.S. publishers of Naughtie's book, to say they would vigorously deny the claims if publication went ahead. But as no legal action was threatened, the U.S. launch of the book, The Accidental American: Tony Blair and the Presidency, will proceed as planned this week.

Naughtie stands by his claims and is said to be privately delighted that Powell and Straw have reacted so violently to the suggestion that the former U.S. general had fallen out with the 'neo-cons'.

Provocatively, the phrase 'fucking crazies' will be quoted on the jacket of the book, according to a source at the publisher. 'We were surprised to receive calls from the offices of Jack Straw and Colin Powell within 24 hours of each other,' the source said.

Naughtie claims that Powell and Straw spoke on an almost daily basis. Powell's concerns were said to have chimed with Straw's and those of Blair himself - that if America acted without UN sanction, allies would be lost.

Cheney and his allies were preparing for a spring war and did not wish to be deflected by the UN inspection process. Powell is thought to have been terrified that the strategy of the 'crazies' would alienate the Blair government, which believed it needed UN backing to win over Parliament and the British public.

John Kampfner, political editor of the New Statesman and author of Blair's Wars, said Naughtie's characterisation of the feverish political atmosphere of the summer of 2002 was entirely accurate. 'The British government saw Powell as the most significant voice of sanity in the US administration. At different times during this very difficult period, the Brits used Powell to get across their point of view to the White House. But, bizarrely, Powell sometimes also used Blair to pass messages to Bush.'

Kampfner's book, which covers the Blair government's military adventures in Kosovo, Sierra Leone and Afghanistan, as well as Iraq, reported that in July 2002 Blair sent his foreign policy adviser David Manning on a secret mission to Washington to deliver a letter hinting that, without a second UN resolution, Britain would not be able to join a war in Iraq.


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131117 - 09/13/04 09:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

PS he's right about that too, they are looney toons


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131118 - 09/13/04 09:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Powell seemed to be the lone voice of reason, at times, in this admin in the lead up to war, if this is true, then it is just further evidence......


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131122 - 09/13/04 09:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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KingOftheThing said:
PS he's right about that too, they are looney toons


Agreed


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131176 - 09/13/04 09:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I heard an interview with someone today on NPR, I think it was PHil Gramm. He was talking about Powell and his friction with the administration. He was saying tha Powell was putting heavy pressure on the president to put more troops in Afghanistan and thouroughly whoop Al-Qaeda's ass instead of going into Iraq. He also said Powell suggested going after Al-Qaeda in places where there are large numbers of them, specifically Somalia and Yemen. It was interesting stuff indeed, makes you think how different things might have been.


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131184 - 09/13/04 09:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Who was that who called the War on Iraq a 'Catastrophic success?'


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: Zahid]
    #3131221 - 09/13/04 09:26 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Bush did


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: Skikid16]
    #3131232 - 09/13/04 09:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:rotfl:


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132020 - 09/13/04 11:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

pls post a link to the original article...

and even if he did say that..colin powell still has no excuse...if he knew the neocons were wrong..then the very least he should have done was walk right out the door...but he apparently just went along with them anyway..and told their big lie to the UN at their behest...if thats so..it makes him even worse than them...


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132106 - 09/14/04 12:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'll put $100 bucks down that Powell gets fired within a few months of Bush's second term, if there is one. I'm suprised it hasn't happened already. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Rove all apparently hate him and have a much stronger hold on the presidential balls.


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3132127 - 09/14/04 12:11 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: Gijith]
    #3132195 - 09/14/04 12:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Fired? I bet he has already put his letter of resignation in, just waiting till the election, he wasn't present at the RNC.


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: Skikid16]
    #3132200 - 09/14/04 12:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

he should pull a zell miller and switch sides...that would destroy bush


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132209 - 09/14/04 12:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

That would kick ass.


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132213 - 09/14/04 12:26 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I wonder if he really did.


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: Skikid16]
    #3132219 - 09/14/04 12:28 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah when the Bush Admin loses Powell, they're losing the only thing that made them at all redeemable...


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132301 - 09/14/04 12:46 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I can't fucking wait to hear how Scott McClellan handles this...
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Q: Scott, what do you make of this claim that Secretary Powell called Secretaries Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz "fucking crazies" during a conversation with Jack Straw in the months leading up to the war?
A: Well, let me first say that we value Secretary Powell as a part of this administration. And let me also say that Secretary Powell has done, and continues to do, a commendable job. And let me also say that we look foward to working with him in the future. Now, in regards to your question, I think all you have to do is look at Secretary Powell's record and you'll see that he's a man of character and integrity. I know it's a record that everyone here at the White House is very proud of.
Q: Uh, Scott, you didn't even come close to even attempting to think about answering my question. And when you say that you look forward to working with Mr Powell, are you stating that he will keep his post for a second term, assuming there is one.
A: Helen, yes, yes I did answer your question.
Q: No, you-
A: Yes, yes I did. And I have not made any suggestion as to whether Secretary Powell will remain as Secretary of State. No suggestion was made! I don't have any idea what's going on. You'll have to ask him. I don't know why you people come in here with the hope that I might actually give useful responses to your questions. It's not gonna happen! Why don't we just stop? No more briefings! You people want answers from this administration??? Go fuck yourselves. We don't answer to you commoners! We answer to God and the oil investors, that's all.


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132934 - 09/14/04 03:04 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I don't trust news reports without sources.


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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3132947 - 09/14/04 03:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Colin Powell thinks Neocons are "Fucking Crazy" [Re: Skikid16]
    #3134143 - 09/14/04 01:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Skikid16 said:
Quote:

KingOftheThing said:
PS he's right about that too, they are looney toons


Agreed



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