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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Why I Study the Brain [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ, the thing is, you CAN'T look at the mind at this point in time from a 'strictly scientific viewpoint'. That would be just as unreasonable as the 'conclusion-jumping garbage' you claim Freud and Jung's work to be. There is still so much that we cannot test using the scientific method when it comes to the brain.

Also you seem to draw a distinct line between psychology and neuroscience. I know that it is necessary to divide disciplines into categories as to allow for specialisation, however I think that they are still very closely intertwined, they are just different levels of the same thing. Take a look at the history of science. It started off as one thing - early philosophy. Gradually, as theories developed further, this divided into more and more sections - mathematics, geometry, physics, chemistry, astronomy, biology, etc, and eventually psychology emerged as a farily new science. In this process of divisions of schools of thought, many people seem to have forgotten that these are arbitrary divisions used to make studying a certain field easier - however these boundaries don't necessarily exist in reality. Like I said, each scientific discipline is more or less looking at a different aspect of one thing - 'reality'. Psychology looks at the 'real' expressions of neuroscience, and neuroscience can be looked at in terms of biology, chemistry, maths, etc. at different levels. I personally beleive that Western science is now heading back towards a unification of schools of thought - its time to re-integrate these different disciplines whose arbitrary boundaries have been taken as literal. So we as researchers of the mind and this human reality do need to retain a certain 'holistic' viewpoint on things. You said "I'm through with psych. I'm studying neuroscience now."...this seems to be a narrow approach. Neuroscience is as much a subcategory of Psych as Psych is a subcategory of Neuroscience.

Basically I guess what I'm trying to say is, keep an open mind about things, cause theres a lot more going on than what we can deduce from hard science in its current form. And theres something to be learned from every viewpoint.

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Re: Why I Study the Brain [Re: tracing]
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excellent thank you for the link. rox0r


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Re: Why I Study the Brain [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
But then I came to a realization:  The whole of physics and science in general is observable data.  Data which is observed by the mind.   The mind is like a filter; all the data we are able to observe about the universe is contingent upon the capacity of our brains.  With this realization, the theories and the formulas seemed like a waste of effort to me.  What good is observational data when you dont even understand the mechanism via which you are observing the data?  Without a perfect understanding of the Brain, studying the observable universe is getting a step ahead of yourself.  Its jumping to conclusions.  You have no solid ground to stand upon.

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And who is the observer?  Though I study nueroscience, I still believe in the existence of an external force upon the mind.  Nature and Nurture are only part of the equation.  The mind is more than just a product of chemistry and life experience.  There is a third force, and is superior to the other two.



That's really interesting.  I went through a similar time when I was trying to figure out what I needed to do with my life.  I used to ask myself, 'What's the most important question we can ask?'.  For a long time I didn't know the answer.  Then one night as I was about to doze off, a loud hypnogogic voice asked 'Who am I?'...and that was it.

I realized that unless I knew who or what is observing the universe, I can't really know anything about the universe at all. 

However, my conclusion was a bit different than yours.  What I felt I needed to know was the observer itself...not the mind which filters what is observed.

You said, 'Data which is observed by the mind'.  I would say that the 'mind' does not observe anything but is (as you also said) a 'filter'.  Therefore, the mind (or brain) itself cannot be fully understood until the observer is understood.

Anyway, kudos on your path!  :thumbup:


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