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Your brain on drugs
    #4276466 - 06/09/05 05:00 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

What I truly get a kick out of, is the many posts here that declare a certain experience on a certain drug is indicative of the "true" nature of reality.

Is a drunk truly sexier?

Is a coke-fiend really more powerful?

Is the paranoia experienced while stoned revelatory that the world is truly out to get you?

Does datura show which of your friends are demonically possessed?

Does ketamine put one in touch with the Galactic Controllers?

Does this sound silly?

Yet so many proclaim that a brain ramped up on hallucinogens show the light and the way.

Psychedelics are pretty unique in that that play with serotonin levels and receptors which results in the crossing and heightening of senses; a sort of dreaming while awake, and a sense of profundity. The linking of strong emotion to the experience seemingly gives it more weight. However, being "blown away" is ONLY indicative of the strangeness of the experience; not the validity.

*Swami turns shields on full in preparation for the heretical backlash*


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Swami]
    #4276480 - 06/09/05 05:03 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

What I truly get a kick out of, is the many posts here that declare a certain experience off drugs is indicative of the "true" nature of reality.


Edited by Veritas (06/09/05 06:53 PM)


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Swami]
    #4276481 - 06/09/05 05:04 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

TRUE.


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Swami]
    #4276484 - 06/09/05 05:05 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Well I agree with you.  Psychedelics don't show you the true nature of reality. They may shake up your assurance that you can ever know what the true nature of reality is. :mushroom2:


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Swami]
    #4276491 - 06/09/05 05:06 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

It does sound kind of silly. People say those things because they experience those things. They experience something that, and this is the key part here, to them, seems more like true reality. And if you experience it AND believe it, then you have a powerful moment.


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Swami]
    #4276532 - 06/09/05 05:20 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup: :thumbup:


the phrase: "I exeprienced it in a trip" is the shroomery-version of "It says so in the bible"


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some simple analogies oblique to inebriation [Re: Swami]
    #4276720 - 06/09/05 06:18 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

trying to look at self while being self requires a kind of loopback or reflection.

to see your face you can use a mirror or a photograph.
to see your mind you can use meditation or halucinogen.

the existence of light reflecting on the mirror or on the photograph is not enough, the viewer must be interested in the process of reflection.

so, in part, you are right. If someone is just sitting back waiting to win insight, without the slightest interest, then all the meditation and all the halucinogen will be just so many boken mirrors and tossed photos.

if it is just about inebriation, then nothing will be seen of value, but if it is about glimpses of our constitutions then really the opportunity has been taken.


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Swami]
    #4276810 - 06/09/05 06:43 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

What I truly get a kick out of, is the many posts here that declare a certain experience on a certain drug is indicative of the "true" nature of reality.

What really gets me is when every couple of months someone claims that they are able to perform telekinesis while on hallucinogens... emphasis HALLUCINOGENS!

Duh!  :rolleyes:


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Diploid]
    #4277429 - 06/09/05 09:22 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

i'm of similar mind as rgv

i'd say there are two good things about drugs

one- drugs are one way of showing a different perspective. this is good if you want to understand somthing better. noticing things you didn't notice before is one example.

two- many drugs break down the "ego". breakdown not just ego loss. it can make you aware of feelings you didn't realize you had for example.

alcohol: some people get really depressed on alcohol 'ah my life sucks etc'; some people dote on their friends 'i love you guys'. alcohol lowers inhibitions which (depending on how you define it) is a kind of ego breakdown. you can treat the alcohol experience as showing you a different side to yourself- not many people do though.

example: a person gets wasted and starts crying, then the next day reflects on how they acted. starts to work to change things in their life. changes the things and is happier.

in my experience, most people in this place usually let themselves fall deeper into their hole before getting serious about fixing anything. the alcohol experience could have been a catalyst in any of these situations if they had let it.

psychedelics are different for some reason. lots of people let psychedelics "show the way" and interpret right away. it's part of the etheogenic subculture. i'd argue the difference is just a kind of cultural bias.


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Swami]
    #4277450 - 06/09/05 09:27 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
What I truly get a kick out of, is the many posts here that declare a certain experience on a certain drug is indicative of the "true" nature of reality.

Is a drunk truly sexier?

Is a coke-fiend really more powerful?

Is the paranoia experienced while stoned revelatory that the world is truly out to get you?

Does datura show which of your friends are demonically possessed?

Does ketamine put one in touch with the Galactic Controllers?

Does this sound silly?

Yet so many proclaim that a brain ramped up on hallucinogens show the light and the way.

Psychedelics are pretty unique in that that play with serotonin levels and receptors which results in the crossing and heightening of senses; a sort of dreaming while awake, and a sense of profundity. The linking of strong emotion to the experience seemingly gives it more weight. However, being "blown away" is ONLY indicative of the strangeness of the experience; not the validity.

*Swami turns shields on full in preparation for the heretical backlash*



No no Swami you dont get it, we are all beings made of light, that operate on the 49th wavelength of matter. Just ask my intoxicated self Ive figured it out. Hey doesnt quantum say something or other about vibrations..strings...hmmmmm, must I spell it out for you people! And nevermind that photons have no mass, that is only because we operate on such a high wavelength, that the mass isnt detectable by our basic methods. Much like how a square pulse wave is merely just an infinite sum of sin's and cosines. If someone were to look at the wave, they would proclaim that it is a square, voltage on, voltage off, but that is wrong people. We have not the technology yet to measure our mass(energy).


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: TheCow]
    #4277476 - 06/09/05 09:35 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Realistically though, Richard Feynman claimed to have mapped his brain out while tripping.


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Veritas]
    #4277677 - 06/09/05 10:33 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Veritas said:
What I truly get a kick out of, is the many posts here that declare a certain experience off drugs is indicative of the "true" nature of reality.




Quote:

Icelander said:
Well I agree with you.  Psychedelics don't show you the true nature of reality. They may shake up your assurance that you can ever know what the true nature of reality is. :mushroom2:




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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Swami]
    #4277801 - 06/09/05 11:04 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I quote from my blog on another site (written to a very different audience, but i kind of like it anyway)

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So imagine this peeps:

Imagine if you could experience reality from loads of different people's perspectives, you could basically "be" any number of different people and take the memory of your experience with you.

So you would have a decent memory of how many different people's perceptions and perspectives differ.

You'd then be able to compare how each 'mind' perceived the world, what each 'mind' believed in and why, and by collating this information you would be able to build up a better understanding of the nature of reality and our perceptions.

Perhaps think of a picture representing "reality", but the picture is covered in a grid of black squares. As a single person experiencing only our own perceptions, only one of the squares is revealed. If we were able to experience and assimilate many different people's viewpoints, more of the black squares would be removed and one would have a slightly better idea of the picture behind.

If it is ever possible to view a complete picture of "reality" is unlikely, but if we were able to "be" lots of different people, the collation of these experiences may give us (slightly) clearer idea.

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Unfortunately we cannot directly experience any person's 'mind' but our own, so what was the point of all this?

Well, if you believe in this sort of thing, you might want to try telepathic techniques and 'remote viewing' skills - there are many guides on the internet on how to do these techniques. Personally I'm not sure it IS possible, and if it is I expect it would require a LOT of practice and motivation. But it might (to a degree) be able to show you life from other people's perspectives.

There is a second-best option though, which instead of viewing life from other people's perspective, involves altering and changing your OWN mind's consciousness. There are certain chemicals that can STRONGLY alter the brain's chemistry and vastly distort how your own mind perceives the world around you. They can give you access to levels of conciousness and perception you couldn't have even imagined beforehand, and what's more, you will be able to remember these experiences.

Then you will be able to take a step back and compare your experiences from before, during, and after the shifts in consciousness. By repeating this experiment, perhaps with different chemicals, your memory will start to assimilate a fair amount of different perceptions and levels of consciousness that your brain has gone through.

And slowly but surely, you can remove a fair amount of black squares from the picture of reality.


Still, perhaps what you will discover will only be a meaningless fraction. But it is surely worth trying.
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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Swami]
    #4278206 - 06/10/05 01:36 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You should experience the power of my brain. I think the strangest thoughts without the help of any drugs whatsoever.


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Swami]
    #4278238 - 06/10/05 01:47 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

drugs are more real because they are more fun. for me anyways. screw reality. there I said it. so nyah.


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Swami]
    #4278401 - 06/10/05 03:01 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The true nature of reality is pointless to discuss as we only see a small slice of it no matter what our mental state.


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Swami]
    #4278412 - 06/10/05 03:04 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: TheCow]
    #4278553 - 06/10/05 04:15 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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TheCow said:
Realistically though, Richard Feynman claimed to have mapped his brain out while tripping.




Did Richard Feynman smoke pot AND do psychedelics?

What a straight up 100% hardcore to the bone BADASS.

Man..I'm just energized hearing that.


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: Diploid]
    #4278812 - 06/10/05 06:41 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

they are able to perform telekinesis while on hallucinogens... emphasis HALLUCINOGENS!

I have nothing to say about telekinisis (i am not taking a position on the topic), but your emphasis doesn't mean a thing really. Hallucinogens is just a word someone made up like psychedelics or entheogens. It neither adds nor takes away anything


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Re: Your brain on drugs [Re: raytrace]
    #4278820 - 06/10/05 06:48 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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I have nothing to say about telekinisis (i am not taking a position on the topic), but your emphasis doesn't mean a thing really. Hallucinogens is just a word someone made up like psychedelics or entheogens. It neither adds nor takes away anything




The fact that one is under the influence of a substance that is chemically proven to have a great probability of creating the experience of hallucinations, and that one then experiences an ability (telekinesis) that has never been evidenced or demonstrated by anyone in a state of mind not under the influence of this hallucinogenic substance naturally leads to the conclusion that it is very likely that the performance of this ability was, quite simply, a hallucination. :lol:

"Did you see that?! That man just killed that lady! He's a murderer!"

"Now, now, the term "murderer" is just a word someone made up, and it does not add or take away from anything." :wtf: :smirk:

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