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They knew about 9-11
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or do you think otherWise?


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Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something,
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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: qwon]
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qwon said:
or do you think otherWise?


I do think otherwise.


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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: qwon]
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They always seem to know, don't they.  :mad2:


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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: z@z.com]
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z@z.com said:
qwon said:
or do you think otherWise?


I do think otherwise.


Then let me ask you another question: Did They know about Saddam invading Kuwait before?


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explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something,
but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation.'
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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: qwon]
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qwon said:
Then let me ask you another question: Did They know about Saddam invading Kuwait before?


I'm not sure what you are asking. Before what?


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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: z@z.com]
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I thought I should've phrased it better.
If you don't think They knew about 9-11 (which you said), Do you or don't you believe that They (speaking of An element representing political control within the Government of the United States) knew that Saddam Hussien was going to invade Kuwait ahead of time ((though (as in the case of 9-11) this government denies knowledge of any such beforehand knowledge) ?


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'I'm the commander see, I don't need to explain, I do not need to
explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something,
but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation.'
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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: qwon]
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I don't really know nor do I see the relevance.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: z@z.com]
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A forum post discusses the historical context of U.S. foreign policy and intelligence failures leading up to the 1990 invasion of Kuwait and the 2003 Iraq War. It highlights a 1990 conversation between Saddam Hussein and U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie, where Glaspie suggested U.S. neutrality in Arab disputes. The post argues that the Bush administration, led by Paul Wolfowitz, ignored this context and made the same strategic mistake twice. Wolfowitz claimed in 2003 that no one predicted an Iraqi military move against Kuwait and Saudi Arabia in 1990, despite the intelligence community's conclusion that better intelligence was needed. The post suggests that Wolfowitz's repeated lies demonstrate a pattern of deception. It concludes with a quote from Socrates, implying that a liar who is not punished becomes more deceitful, while those caught and punished are calmed and tamed.

Okay. Relevance incoming. Just 2 days ago, Canadian Press releases article about a man in custody who was in alliance with the bomber of the American Airlines flight that crashed on Nov12, 2001 over Queens. Remember that 2 months after 9-11. The US government said it was caused by a wake of another plane, ripping off the tail. Why, on a Jihaddist web site, the story never makes american news. A suicide bomber such as Richard Reid shoe bomber 1 month later. . . HEAR IT. What is the relevence? Read on closely...

The Story of the Implant and May 1990

My friend Jared Israel, sent me this piece that he wrote. 'On Sept. 22, 1990, the New York. Times published what is apparently an accurate transcript of a conversation between Saddam Hussein and U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie. This conversation took place on JULY 25, eight days before the invasion of Kuwait. It is most interesting. In it, she suggests that the Bush administration understands the Iraqi point of view and does not wish to meddle in an Arab dispute. For instance, Amb. Glaspie says:

?...we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts
like your border disagreement with Kuwait...
we see the Iraqi point of view that the measures taken
by the U.A.E. and Kuwait is, in the final analysis,
parallel to military aggression against Iraq.?
- New York Times, September 22, 1990

?Since Hussein wanted to make sure of U.S. neutrality before taking action against Kuwait, and since Saudi Arabia is Washington's key Arab ally, with huge U.S. military bases, of which, of course, the Iraqi leaders were aware, it is simply not conceivable that Iraq planned to attack Saudi Arabia.'


This very year, the faces of liars masquerade the truth. On January 23, 2003, Deputy Secretary Paul D. 'Butcher' Wolfowitz, the main Straussian/architect of the deception/war issued the following statement in a speech on Iraqi Disarmament. In it he stated:

'However, on the strategic intelligence level, no one was
predicting in MAY of 1990 that there would be an Iraqi military
move against Kuwait and Saudi Arabia in three months time.
The Senate Intelligence Committee has concluded From
this that we need better intelligence. I concluded from this
that it is dangerous to rely too much on intelligence.'

They say only a fool makes the same mistake twice, thus, if one is a representative of a democracy and makes the same mistake twice, he still is just a fool.
Seems he forgot about April Glaspie. I wonder what the look on Saddam's face was when Bush 'The Elder' got on television and said:

'A line has been drawn in the sand...withdraw from Kuwait
unconditionally and immediately, or face the terrible consequences.'

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'...new world order...free from the threat of terror...
henceforth would be obligated to lead the world
community to an unprecedented degree to pursue our national interests.'
- Bush 'The Elder'

Read my lips, this became the immediate focus of attention right after the collapse of the Soviet Union. It blinks ever so slowly. The fall of the Iron Curtain gave plausibility to the Neo-Nazi's will to define their New World Order.

'Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the
Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait. Every Kuwaiti
and Saudi, every analyst in the Western world was wrong too.'
- Ambassador Glaspie

You see, they knew of the invasion. The words ?all of? implies a partial truth.



September 14, 1990

Paul Wolfowitz Speech at the Wye Plantation Policy Conference
Undersecretary of Defense for Policy

'The Bush Administration's Strategy Towards the Gulf Crisis'

'Saddam Hussein probably thought that as long as the United States was limited to
air and sea power, our capabilities to harm him were manageable.
He also undoubtedly believed that Arab countries would never allow Americans to help defend them.'


Or, better put, he was told that the United States had 'no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts', as did Ambassador Glaspie clearly told them eight days before the war. It is safe to refer to reality now and call Wolfowitz a liar and deceiver of the American People. (September 14, 1990) continued:

'.....however, our support for Israel does not depend on whether Israel
is a valuable strategic ally or not. Our support for Israel should rest not
on strategic arguments, but on the U.S. commitment to Israeli security.
That commitment should be even deeper in the long run given what Iraq did to Kuwait.'

Mirrors, 'What they did to us on 9-11.' A phrase to understand.

That was a speech given 13 years ago. Again, this was given in 2003:

'However, on the strategic intelligence level, no one was predicting in May of 1990
that there would be an Iraqi military move against Kuwait and Saudi Arabia in three months time.?


Please do understand this point about the implant. Once a liar and not punished, always a liar until punished. Doctrine for actors.

?Does not one who remains undiscovered become even more vicious, whereas the man who is discovered and punished the beast is calmed down and tamed; his whole soul, settling into its best nature, as it acquires moderation and justice together with wisdom, attains a more honoured condition than a strong, beautiful, and healthy body, in so far as the soul is to be honoured more than the body.
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- Socrates (Plato, The Republic)


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'I'm the commander see, I don't need to explain, I do not need to
explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something,
but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation.'
- George W. Bush

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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: qwon]
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I think Al-Qaeda knew about it...

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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: Divided_Sky]
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The Mossad knew about it.


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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: qwon]
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Learyfan knew.


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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: qwon]
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Depends who you define as "they" and how much you think they knew. I'm positive that members of the Bush administration had some prior warning about 9/11, but how much they knew and whether it was enough to act on, I can't honestly tell you. I will say that had they known, they would've had little incentive to stop it.


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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: silversoul7]
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What I'm saying is: They were behind it. They were also behind It when during the impeachment of Clinton and that whole sex scandal, when Clinton hurled cruise missles on Afghanistan camps = Why do you think Bin Laden escaped? Luck?....come on..you're not thinking about Kennedy's assasination, nor John Foster Dulles, nor George Bush the 1st, nor are you thinking of Klaus Barbie - the Nazi who was bankrolled by the CIA - nor are you thinking of BOlogna in 1980 in the train station when the bomb went off killing 100+ people - - - nor I tell you are you thinking of the Twin Towers. . . I promise you. . . . They Knew and Helped.
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Looking
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'I'm the commander see, I don't need to explain, I do not need to
explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something,
but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation.'
- George W. Bush

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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: qwon]
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Of course they knew (IMO)...but as Silversoul said "they had little incentive to stop it"...Same thing as pearl harbour..they needed an excuse.


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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: qwon]
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We didn't know that Iraq was going to invade Kuwait? *laugh*


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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: retread]
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I was responding to A post in specific.


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'I'm the commander see, I don't need to explain, I do not need to
explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something,
but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation.'
- George W. Bush

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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: qwon]
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bush definatly didnt know as an individual.. he is way too stupid to formulate such a plan.. maybe his stooges had something to do with it who knows. I dont think we will ever know.

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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: qwon]
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I think long after Bush is gone, we will find some strong evidence that his administration allowed 9-11 to happen.

Of course as much will be done about it as has been done with the Kennedy conspiracy situation.







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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: FecalDildo]
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Emmett said:
bush definatly didnt know as an individual.. he is way too stupid to formulate such a plan.. maybe his stooges had something to do with it who knows.


That?s what I believe. But I just say "Bush knew" because it?s easier and catchier.

Oh yeah, don?t listen to luvdemshrooms. I did not know about 9-11 before hand. That?s complete fabrication on his part.





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Re: They knew about 9-11 [Re: Learyfan]
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Oh yeah, don't listen to luvdemshrooms. I did not know about 9-11 before hand. That's complete fabrication on his part.

  :eek:


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