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InvisibleMykey
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H2O2 users check this out
    #3063344 - 08/28/04 10:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I know that many of you use h2o2 in various stages of cultivation.
Everyone knows it works great as long as it remains active. This post addresses the use of peroxide in the substrate in particular. The only problem with this is the fact that there are many enzymes present in the grains which make quick work of breaking down peroxide thus making its effectiveness shortlived.

If you boil your wbs in a 10% solution of vinegar and water for about 15 minutes the enzymes will no longer be an issue and the peroxide will now stay active for much longer and give the myc time to take over. Other grains which arent as hard to penetrate as wbs can simply be soaked in the vinegar to achieve the same results.

Has anyone else ever tried this?


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: Mykey]
    #3063415 - 08/28/04 10:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

have you donr this and checked the ph afterwards? there is a whole tek about using h2o2 for sterilization in about every step but it uses spawn as opposed to spores (of course). I dont think its on this site, but some dude tried or did publish it. i think i have it as a pdf if you or anyone else would be interested in seeing it, its nothing to get excited about though.


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #3063662 - 08/29/04 12:14 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The problem with that step by step tek is its for edibles and uses wood as the substrate, not so great for cubies. Nice info Mykey.. I'll have to work with this with rye when I get a chance. H2O2 is expensive though even though PCing is a pain in the ass, it is free.


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3066953 - 08/29/04 11:30 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

h202 is expensive?


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: curious4]
    #3069860 - 08/30/04 05:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

When your talking about soaking 50 pounds of rye in it every month (about how much I use) On top of filling up 10% of two humidifiers every 2-3 days and a mister bottle filled up 10% every 1-2 days and casings being dunked about 40% H2O2 every flush and when your using 50 pounds of rye and letting all your casings go for 3 flushes..now your talking alot of hydrogen peroxide money.


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3072566 - 08/31/04 05:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

surely you can buy it in bulk somewhere? they must look at you real strange at the store when you buy a cart full of nothing but peroxide


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: Mykey]
    #3073170 - 08/31/04 11:29 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

1 gallon of food grade H2O2 @ 35% concentration( yes that is almost ten times the strength of antiseptic grade) can be found in hydro stores for about 25$US
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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3073171 - 08/31/04 11:30 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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scatmanrav said:
even though PCing is a pain in the ass, it is free.




that's funny, i have to pay for the electricity i use. that includes the electricity required to cool my kitchen down as well as that required to sterilise grain.

of course, you may be burning the sticks that fall from trees and placing your PC over that???


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: debianlinux]
    #3074773 - 08/31/04 06:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

No but electricity is included in my rent no matter how much I use I dont pay more per month for it. Seems to work better for me then sticks from the trees. :thumbup:


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
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Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: Mykey]
    #3074914 - 08/31/04 07:01 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hydrogen peroxide is used to seperate pure iodine crystals from iodine tincture for the manufacture of methamphetamine.

Be careful about buying large quantities, it is a watched chemical.


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3075184 - 08/31/04 08:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Good info! Meth is in the crosshairs of every anti drug agency right now! Imagine how dissappointed they would be to find shrooms instead of meth once they tracked someone down. Still bad for the guy they got but not quite the feather in their hat they would expect.


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: Mykey]
    #3083841 - 09/02/04 07:00 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Excellent info. I shalln't be buying any online then. That's ok its not that expensive for what it provides me currently :smile:


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How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3085398 - 09/03/04 01:53 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Baby_Hitler said:
Hydrogen peroxide is used to seperate pure iodine crystals from iodine tincture for the manufacture of methamphetamine.

Be careful about buying large quantities, it is a watched chemical.





Actually they use bleach and sometimes a touch of H2SO4, not peroxide. Hydrogen peroxide is NOT a watched chemical at all. Iodine is though.


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: fastfred]
    #3085932 - 09/03/04 04:27 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

MODS... Sorry for this off topic post

FF, is this where you get your information from?
bleach (sodium hypoclorite) is not used to manufacture methamphetamine
Hydrogen Peroxide is used in the proscess.

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SUBJECT: METHAMPHETAMINE
Crystal meth is made by the pounds in a person's bathtub. If bleach is dried, it looks exactly like jib. If smoked, snorted or injected, it will kill a person.
Jibtecks become mean, have major mood swings, and sleep a lot. The strength of the withdraw depends on how much that person does, and how long the binge is.





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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3085966 - 09/03/04 04:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Where does H2O2 figure into the process?

Bleach is used to precipitate iodine crystals from iodine solution.

I'm not too familliar with lithium or other methods, but iodine was mentioned and that means the I, RP, E reaction.


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P.S. I'm also sorry about the off topic post, but want to clear this up.


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: fastfred]
    #3086059 - 09/03/04 05:26 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Where does H2O2 figure into the process?
Bleach is used to precipitate iodine crystals from iodine solution.





I'd rather you post a link to the source you show as using bleach.


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3086094 - 09/03/04 05:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd rather you post a link to the source you show as using bleach.




Sorry, there is no way to post a link to my meth-head neighbor.

I'm sure that there is a source somewhere online. Try the Hive. I don't go there and wouldn't post a link here though. It's probably not acceptable here.

I've seen it work, though so I'm not bullshitting. Add 10 ml bleach to about 500ml iodine and then filter and you have iodine crystals.

You can try it yourself, but it stinks a bit. Iodine vapor is nasty and will stain anything it touches.


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: fastfred]
    #3086111 - 09/03/04 05:47 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Well... since you are a mod it must be OK... Here is a link I found via google:
http://www.scienceteacherprogram.org/chemistry/Oleary99.html

"Oxidation of iodide ion to iodine with bleach:
2H+ + OCl- + 2I- I2 + Cl- + H20"


I even learned something from looking this up. I knew it worked with standard iodine, but according to this link it also works with acidified KI. That must be the reason that H2SO4 is sometimes required.

"Prepare a 100 or 150 ml Erlenmeyer flask with about 10 ml of a 10% KI solution in it; add about 10 ml of 2M H2S04 to the flask and stir."


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: fastfred]
    #3086655 - 09/03/04 11:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe they do that too, but they definitely use the peroxide, and it is deffinitely watched around here because you have to ask for it in some places along with things like matches, Iodine, and ephedrine.


The local cops watch that is, and the people selling it watch. I'd be more concerned about local law enforcement than the DEA.


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Re: H2O2 users check this out [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3086731 - 09/03/04 11:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't worry about it. I'm pretty sure that bleach is used much more often. It really isn't even part of the reaction, and would probably be the very hardest chemical to crack down on.

A store I used to work at had a little poster that had the DEA 800# on top and then a list of items to "watch for suspicious people buying". The list was silly. They had pretty much everything in the store on it. Coffee filters, propane, rock salt, road flares, matches, iodine, batteries, red heet, yellow heat, solvents, bleach, glue, cold pills, etc., etc.

They even had a bunch of items that I can't remember which seemed to have no connection to making drugs. Peroxide wasn't on the list. I used to think about calling in every time somebody bought coffee filters and no coffee, but I never did. That would have been pretty damn funny to talk to some jackass DEA agent about it.

Anyways, who cares if some stupid cops watch for peroxide sales. You could buy a dozen cases while they are watching and they couldn't do anything because it's not a controlled precursor. If you're really that worried then go to the next town and get a case or two. I think the paranoia has just gotten to you though, relax man.

The cops are wasting their time, your neighborhood will probally end up with a meth problem if that's what they're busy doing.

Thanks for the peroxide iodine info, I learn something new every day!


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