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OfflineLearyfan
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War crimes vs. AWOL
    #3017315 - 08/18/04 10:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, so dEEp got me thinking about something last week, but I forgot to make a new post about it until now. What's worse..........

- John Kerry comitting small scale war crimes in Vietnam

or

- George Bush going AWOL and avoiding Vietnam

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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Learyfan]
    #3017325 - 08/18/04 10:17 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Doesn't matter so long as we keep debating nonsensical shit like this and ignore what actually matters, the horrible policy records of both of the major party shitheads.


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3017349 - 08/18/04 10:26 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Since these are the only two guys who really have a chance at President more people are going to discuss Bush and Kerry.

Since Vietnam service is proving to be a hot issue, I thought i'd ask which offense you folks think is worse, war crimes or AWOL.






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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Learyfan]
    #3017603 - 08/18/04 11:57 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

war crimes or AWOL.

I'd have to go with the war crimes Bush has committed since coming to power. How many innocent people has he butchered in Iraq?


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Learyfan]
    #3017982 - 08/18/04 01:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

My judgement rests upon what either individual does after the matter. Personally, I can forgive past actions so as long the individual makes a change for the better.

- Kerry came home and protested the injust war and believes that wars should be fought when necessary, not when wanted. He has a voting record against the military-industrial complex.

- Bush runs for office under the premise that the American military is stretched too thin and that nation-building is not the job of the federal government. After a tragic terrorist attack, he decides to divert military power from fighting/seeking those perpertrators of the attack and invade Iraq. The occupation of Iraq is indefinite and as the pretext for the invasion wears thin (WMD), the rhetoric shifts to be one of nation-building and "delivering freedom" to the world as if it were the constitutional duty of the White House to be the world's police force.

now, who has learned their lesson?


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Learyfan]
    #3017998 - 08/18/04 01:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I would have no problem with someone dodging the draft if they were pacifists. It's the fact that Bush went AWOL and then became a self-described "war president" that I have issue with. I have no sympathy for chickenhawks.


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: silversoul7]
    #3018001 - 08/18/04 01:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Learyfan]
    #3018998 - 08/18/04 05:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Learyfan said:
Yeah, so dEEp got me thinking about something last week, but I forgot to make a new post about it until now. What's worse..........

- John Kerry comitting small scale war crimes in Vietnam

or

- George Bush going AWOL and avoiding Vietnam

?




1. Joing the Guard is not going AWOL.
2. No-one has shown Bush did not fullfill his Guard duties.
3. Kerry has stated he commited war crimes.

Both are assholes.

So lets see..... who is worse..... someone who is a war criminal by his own admision, or someone who has been accused (without proof) of not showing for Guard duty?

Golly! What a tough choice.


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3019212 - 08/18/04 05:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Ancalagon said:
Doesn't matter so long as we keep debating nonsensical shit like this and ignore what actually matters, the horrible policy records of both of the major party shitheads.




Totaly. It's going to take alot more than 4-8 years under one shithead to get rid of all the shitheads.


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Xlea321]
    #3019322 - 08/18/04 06:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i dont know, he hasn't even been over to iraq so i think the answer is zero :-P heh


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3019569 - 08/18/04 07:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

We will never be rid of shitheads. They are an endlessly renewable resource


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3019648 - 08/18/04 07:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Can we burn them for fuel?


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Learyfan]
    #3019669 - 08/18/04 07:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

war crimes + faking it to get 2 purple hearts and a bronze star is worse than whatever bush did IMO.


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: silversoul7]
    #3019703 - 08/18/04 07:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I've heard the term Chickenhawk but never knew exaclty what that was. Here is what dictionary.com says:


-Any of various hawks that prey on or have the reputation of preying on chickens.

-Vulgar Slang. A man who seeks out boys or young men as his sexual partners.


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Learyfan]
    #3021313 - 08/19/04 01:35 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Kerry needs to make a bigger deal about Bush's AWOL and him choking when 9-11 was happening.


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Zahid]
    #3021917 - 08/19/04 04:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Kerry needs to make a bigger deal about Bush's AWOL and him choking when 9-11 was happening.




I disagree, the only quote i heard from him regarding Bush's AWOL (which was a while back), he took the respectable high ground, saying something along the lines of 'its not my place to question another man's decision to participate in such a war as Vietnam'.

and to blame bush for 9/11 would get many very very angry---did people get angry at bush after 9/11 or support him 90+%?


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #3021930 - 08/19/04 04:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I always thought of the Loony Toons little bird who thought he was all big and bad and would try to beat up big birds 20 times his size, I think that's the chickenhawk reference

Bush is a bit like Scrappy Doo but not as cool, and instead of fighting himself he sends Shaggy and Scooby over to get the ghosts, and instead of being pulled back, well...

Kerry is like a spinning coin, you don't know which side he's going to land on

War crimes or AWOL? Why choose the lesser of two evils for the most powerful man in the world?


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: silversoul7]
    #3022372 - 08/19/04 09:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

F**K 'EM BOTH

AWOL is honourable if like SS7 says one is a pacifist. But disgusting if one then sends a nation into war, while remaining sat in a comfy armchair. Hypocracy in the extreme. A very sick man - he belongs in an asylum.

War crimes - I find to be a bit of an oxymoron. I do appreciate that A nation attempting to act nobly classifies acts of unrestrained and unecessary cruelty etc into that bracket. However these 'crimes' are unfortunately a static feature of war itself. Kerry as a committer of these acts? Try him and lock him up if so, after all as an upholder of the law of the land: he must represent it.


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Learyfan]
    #3022421 - 08/19/04 09:49 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Kerry didn't just protest the war. He traveled to foreign soil and met with our enemies while we were still fighting it. The man is a magnificent asshole. He also is an admitted war criminal, and he implied that the millions of other Vietnam Vets were committing attrocities. There is a reason why some Vets hate him.

I don't think Kerry should have made Vietnam an issue. He should have let sleeping dogs lie. He made it the center of his convention speech. If Vietnam is an issue than what happened directly after Vietnam should be an issue as well. That includes his 1971 testimony to Congress. That includes the phony "Winter Soldier" investigation that he participated in and had read into the Congressional Record.


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Re: War crimes vs. AWOL [Re: Learyfan]
    #3022453 - 08/19/04 10:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

hrm, I must be tired. I read that as War Crimes vs AOL and thought to myself, 'there is no lesser of two evils in this case'.


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