vicepope said:

Don't use aoc is a all knowing source of anything. She doesn't even understand how power grids work. We don't raise wages because it raises the cost of everything else including rent. Germany doesn't have universal healthcare, gkv only cover 89% of sickness funds. Health care isn't a right and it never will be.

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I believe the phrase the Berniecrats use, regarding healthcare goes like this: "In the wealthiest country the world has ever known, healthcare ought to be guaranteed", just like it is in every other "developed"/industrialized nation in the world (including Germany).

In that clip, AOC said it as well as it can be said, "It is absuuurd to suggest that the US might soon become communist"

It is absolutely absurd.

As for your comment about the minimum wage, the real-world data doesn't support your claims, but I'm not going to pull up any research on the matter, because I don't believe you give a shit about facts or reality, and this topic has already been discussed ad-nausium, around here, in the past.

pugster said:

i regularly see people from the U.S arguing against forums of socialism / universal healthcare /state run business etc .

can someone explain how this is worse than what you have at the moment?

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vicepope said:

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/international-health-policy-center/countries/germany

Finer details.

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Quote:

Health insurance is mandatory in Germany, and the health care system offers near-universal coverage, providing access to an extensive range of inpatient and outpatient services. About 99.9 percent of residents are covered by statutory insurance via nongovernmental providers known as sickness funds, which are financed through compulsory wage contributions that are shared equally by employer and employee.

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sudly said:

vicepope said:

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/international-health-policy-center/countries/germany

Finer details.

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Did you read that?

Quote:

Health insurance is mandatory in Germany, and the health care system offers near-universal coverage, providing access to an extensive range of inpatient and outpatient services. About 99.9 percent of residents are covered by statutory insurance via nongovernmental providers known as sickness funds, which are financed through compulsory wage contributions that are shared equally by employer and employee.

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That's universal healthcare..

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He probably did read it, but didn't understand it. Oo

pugster said:

i regularly see people from the U.S arguing against forums of socialism / universal healthcare /state run business etc .

can someone explain how this is worse than what you have at the moment?

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vicepope said:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12629149/
Forcing your healthcare system break down because inflation and economic slow down is a problem with any "universe health care system " where the baseline is mandated by a government. Pugster how is that health care treating you,  do you feel like your system gets you acceptable care for most things, especially with labor in charged there now.

pugster said:

i regularly see people from the U.S arguing against forums of socialism / universal healthcare /state run business etc .

can someone explain how this is worse than what you have at the moment?

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The reason it's a worst system is greed. The best progress in technology and manufacturing outside of war is greed.

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vicepope said:

The reason it's a worst system is greed. The best progress in technology and manufacturing outside of war is greed.

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vicepope said:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12629149/

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Quote:

According to the Roland Berger Krankenhausstudie 2025, three out of four hospitals ended 2024 in deficit, with nearly 89% of public facilities facing serious financial distress [2]. Staff shortages, inflation, and outdated infrastructure are pushing the system toward a structural collapse. Yet, the political response has been inconsistent - and, at times, self-defeating.

Earlier this year, the Ministry of Health limited hospitals’ ability to negotiate tariff adjustments in line with real inflation, capping reimbursement growth at 2.98%. For Gerald Gaß, president of the Deutsche Krankenhausgesellschaft, this is nothing less than Wortbruch - a breach of word [3]. The government, he argued, is undermining its own promise to link funding to the actual cost of care. The result: more closures, fewer beds, and growing disillusionment among healthcare workers.

I work inside this system. As an Italian orthopaedic surgeon in Germany, I see both the strengths and the paradoxes of this model every day. German hospitals remain highly structured and well-equipped, but they are also exhausted by bureaucracy, underfunded in core services, and increasingly disconnected from their original mission. The political debate focuses on numbers, not on people. Between spreadsheets and slogans, the link between diagnosis and therapy - both literal and metaphorical - has been lost.

The paradox is that everyone agrees reform is needed, yet every step forward seems to tighten the knot. The government has announced a €130 billion investment plan for digitalisation, infrastructure, and community care over the next five years [4]. On paper, it looks visionary. In practice, the first measure attached to it was a spending brake. Transformation requires trust and continuity - two things German healthcare no longer has.

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vicepope said:

She doesn't even understand how power grids work.

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vicepope said:

"But that universal healthcare is effective, functional and necessary isnt in question."

Again I disagree healthcare isnt a right.

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vicepope said:

It is when the green new deal is your policy.

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