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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
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Aiaiaiai! Nice work Generic!
I've been tripping on these little ones for a few weeks now, absolutely love them.


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Edited by Churpee Choozle (04/13/26 06:08 AM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 2
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I believe we are getting close enough to spring that it is time to prepare for getting these azzies outdoor :rockon:

They have thrown some metabolites inside the bags, I'm guessing it is because they're hungry? Anyway, so my plan right now is this.

I will be placing my beds under a couple of big Spiraea × cinerea, look like this:



So I'll dig down aboute 15-20cm. Then a layer of leca for drainage. Then put bark cloth so the leca won't get clogged with soil and whatnot.

But I have a question on what to do next, because I've read that azzies would like to touch soil on the bottom, is that correct and how thick of a layer should I add?

When that is done I was thinking of putting a layer of hydrated chips first, then a layer of colonized chips and then more hydrated chips, lasagne style. So next question is, is that the way to go or would it be better to mix colonized and uncolonized chips at a certain ratio and dumpt it in?

And when that is all done I was wondering if I should cover the chips with soil, coir or something else or not?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 3
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Sorry I didn't reply to your dm yet, Kloakk.

I don't know if the Leca is necessary, is it a place where water pools? Or the water level is in very close proximity to the surface? If not, I personally wouldn't care about drainage.

Most woodlovers like to fruit on the interface between chips and soil. They also fruit fine off just heaps of chips, but a soil / chips / plants intersection seems to provide the best circumstances.

Lasagna layering works great, just mixing works great too. You've seen how ferocious they are. Whatever you do, be sure to top dress them like you would with cubes. Exposed spawn often dries out too much to start growing fast.

I only cover very exposed patches or flowerpots with some dirt, to keep moisture in. But if I can avoid it I will. They seem to do slightly better with more air. When autumn comes they like some soil/ rotten leaves etc for a more even pinset. But during summer you don't want to choke off the bed too much.


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Edited by Churpee Choozle (04/13/26 06:22 AM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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Thanks Churp :hatsoff:

The bed for the Spiraea has been built in what appears to be solid rock from when they made the property, so my guess is that at the very bottom it will pool water, read that Tweeq raised his patch recently because of poor drainage so I figured leca was a good idea.

Now that I have almost everything answered, it's just one final question before I take them outside.

Should I put down a layer of soil before the first layer of chips so the bottom layer of chips touches soil?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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I don't think it's really necessary, but if it gives you peace of mind, why not. The bed is touching soil on the sides, right? And yeah if drainage sucks, you might as well use Leca.

Btw I can totally imagine Tweeq raising his beds. I've grown cyans in the weirdest places, but azurescens will not fruit for me in waterlogged locations, like on heavy clay soils where the water doesn't seep in. And it rains a lot here, so...

My first beds were on sandy river banks. When we moved places I made new ones on really level, 100% clay and they wouldn't fruit. To my great disappointment.

I assumed everyone who doesn't live on an extremely flat slab of clay wouldn't have issues with drainage :shrug:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 2
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Well actually, only one of the sides will be touching soil, the three other sides is stone and rocks. The bottom isn't flat either, it slopes down towards the shrub. So my thinking was to use leca for drainage and to level it out.

Hers a couple of pictures of the spot i have dug up:









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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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I think digging at all can cause problems in wet climates.  I stopped digging at all and just dump/spread wood chips mixed with spawn on top of the soil.  I've seen patches 'drown'

Nature layers

I wouldn't put anything synthetic in the soil, either, it will stay there forever

why'd you dig so much?  maybe dig it differently/add dirt back to make sure it just drains well?




with an az patch that fruited last fall, i just mixed wood chips with wood chip spawn in a tote, then dumped it on top of all the plants, in a low spot where water would settle, but it's on top, enough for it to drain naturally. then i top dressed it with some more raw wood chips.

churp, when you say top dress like you would cubes, are you meaning to use soil for top dressing?  is that how you've been doing it?  I've just been adding an extra layer of wood chips on top until I can't see exposed spawn, but magic happens when soil is involved, i think i'll start experimenting there, maybe with plants germinating in it

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic] * 2
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I meant top dress with chips. As said, I only cover patches / pots that receive a lot of direct sunlight or are otherwise exposed. Have had mixed results with covered patches. They seem to suffer more during summertime.

My reasoning for digging (but my patches are in forested areas) is I want to remove well-established mycelia that are directly below surface in the top soil. I dig away the top layer, place it somewhere else and enter my preferred organism. Then I camouflage it with leaves and sticks and whatnot. But no soil. Once the patch is established I dump chips on it and don't care for camo anymore.

Years of guerilla gardening have taught me that most stuff that kind of melts in the background doesn't attract attention. And everything that looks like something interesting happened there, attracts mice and birds. They see something 'out of pattern' and check it.
Once something is established I don't care if birds fuck with it, or armies of slugs or whatever. I just want my babies to have the time to settle in.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
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Generic said:
I think digging at all can cause problems in wet climates.  I stopped digging at all and just dump/spread wood chips mixed with spawn on top of the soil.  I've seen patches 'drown'

Nature layers

I wouldn't put anything synthetic in the soil, either, it will stay there forever

why'd you dig so much?  maybe dig it differently/add dirt back to make sure it just drains well?

with an az patch that fruited last fall, i just mixed wood chips with wood chip spawn in a tote, then dumped it on top of all the plants, in a low spot where water would settle, but it's on top, enough for it to drain naturally. then i top dressed it with some more raw wood chips.




Well most of why I dug was because I don't know shit about woodlovers or making beds/patches :muppet:

My thinking was that there isn't much headspace under the shrub and I really don't want the chips to start falling out of the bed and on to my lawn, pluss I thought I needed some depth to my patch, and to be honest I need shit to look level and nice :lol:

The bark cloth I have is hemp so with time it will go back to the earth. And yes I will put leca at the bottom because it's basically a stone pit filled with soil(it was there when I bought the house) and then put back some of the soil I dug out and only then will I start to fill in with chips, what kind of depth should I go for?

That spot never gets direct sunlight so I guess I don't need any soil on top, that sound good?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
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Generic said:
Thanks tweeq, I've been doing it that way too, thanks to you and others.

Here is a bag of wood chips w/ ovoid clone. - This bag is 8.6lbs (3.9kg)


The ovoid clone I started early this year is a clone from Nichrome's New Jersey culture, which may be a later fruiter compared to other ovoids.
Nichrome said:
The original spores were gifted to me and were collected from wild found ovoids in a park in Atlantic City NJ USA.  These are east coast native genetics. I find them to be unique to other ovoids in that they like to fruit in the early heat of erly summer/late spring. I have not seen any fall flushes with these.



I got an ovoid culture from WA, which originally came from Seattle / Alaskappalachian. - It's on grain now.
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The Washington ovoid clone came to me via alaskappalachian, who said: "Actually - fun fact: that ovoid clone may actually be an undescribed or super rare thing.  Alan Rockefeller made a visual guess at it, but considered it pretty unusual.  Wish I could find the photos.  Anywho, it looked rad." I couldn't find the post he refered to, maybe it was on Mushroom Observer or iNaturalist, but there is this one from way back, sadly with broken pictures: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14345636#14345636



I'm hesitant to run another culture of ovoideocystidiata, but i'm curious to see if these cultures are much different, east/west coast. 

Churp, what ovoid culture have you been tasting? 


What do you all think about differences in ovoid cultures?  fruiting times?  effects?  different species possibly? 

And how long have ovoids been on the west coast?  are they recently more common because of introduction/cultivation?  or have they been here all along

Ovoid love

(same ovoid clone in a bag of sawdust spawn)




How are you liking that NJ culture?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Nichrome] * 9
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It's the most fun I've had growing any culture, in so many ways, it is amazing.


I just found more fruits, on the opposite side (edge) of the patch
April 13th, 2026

This is the MS patch from the original 2024 germination,

The clone i've been expanding this year is very impressive, it out-preformed my cyan clone in the spawn run, and an experimental 5-gal bucket is fully colonized, I'm eager to check the center.  lots of spawn finishing up, hoping for chips.


At first, I thought I didn't like the type of medicinal effect it had, but I have come to love it very much, usually now at low doses.  it is surprisingly different than any other mushroom.  At 3.6g I found it to be inebriating, almost intoxicating feeling with a clumsy off-balance equilibrium.  shallow feeling psychedelia, uncontrollable/hysterical laughter was silly.  Had a good loving cry, though.  Pretty much no visual effects; except for a couple moments, its the most non-visual mushroom i've tried.

I found it to be surprisingly deep and clear at low doses, and although i'm not usually a social mushroom eater, it seems like a great one for social connection and experiences.  Like churp said; a good mushroom to trust to give your mother, with no unexpected circus acts.

I'm trying to figure out dosage, still.  I had been enjoying .25g and .5g dried.  Now i'm looking at these mushrooms and they seem so small.  I'm about to eat some young ones and soak in a hot tub.  roughly 10X dry weight for fresh? I think i'll go weigh out 5g wet now.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic] * 1
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This makes me very happy to hear and see. Thank you for sharing. They really seem to love you...

 
They really are very special in all the ways, medicinally, the way they choose to grow, their striking beauty. I ate a couple just a few days ago. It was a good tuning that was stronger than I anticipated and exactly what I needed. Caught some spring rain by the lake and watched the sun set. Your description of your experiences with them sounds delightful. Please keep me informed of how it unfolds for you over time. 

As many times as I try them I feel like I am barely getting to know them, and I feel happy about that, like there is a lot of depth and complexity there to discover. There is a lesson in patience in there for me. I find that mixing them with semperviva is an especially synergistic, balanced, and enhanced experience that is unique to either one on its own. They work well together as a team.

My patches are just getting excited now. I put a hefty layer on in the fall and it is getting up close to the top now, but they don't pop till about June 1 on average here.

Do they pop in the fall for you ever?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Nichrome]
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I don't grow your culture, Nichrome, but am also very pleasantly surprised by the effects. Tripped three times on them in three weeks, very smooth sailing. This will be my go-to for virgin shroomers. Very gentle.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
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Do any of y’all have pictures of Aztecorum on agar? I’m not exactly sure what it’s supposed to look like. Here is what I have:
it’s moving pretty slow on agar and grain.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blopblop] * 3
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Looks good to me. Mine look like crap on agar and grains.

Edit: this is on very low nute agar btw, like .25% brf.

(Ignore the grains, failed subtrop dried grain revival attempt. Reused the plate)




That ugly agar made this on chips



I can't seem to find pics of it on grains, but it acted kind of like caeruleorhiza. Very thin, very whispy, didn't look like much even after long consolidation. No consensation or off looking grains. Just very thinly colonized. Jumped very aggressively to chips.


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Edited by Churpee Choozle (04/14/26 02:07 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
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Thanks Churp. It just doesn’t seem to like grain/ sugars very much.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blopblop] * 11
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Okay, it is time, well probably a little late, but this being my first go at woodlovers I didn't time it right.

So it started with me getting a fresh Azurescens print from goatboy666, thank you kind sir :hatsoff: Put on agar germinated just fine, a little bacteria, but easy to clean up. Took a Josex's poke from T1 and made SSLC.

Inoculated 3x200ml jars of canary seeds.

This picture was taken 5 days after inoculation.


Another 4 days, 9 days since inoculation.


4 more days, 13 days after inoculation.


Another 4 days later I boiled smoker chips for about 45 minutes.


Then left to dry for about 2 hours, tossing them around from time to time.


Then loaded to 2 big bags, 4 containers and 3 small bags, one of the small bags didn't fit in my PC so that was left in my grow space until it got trich, only then did I manage to dump it :muppet: PC'd for 3 hours.


Me doing shit for the first time the chips came out a little wet so I let them sit for 3 days before I inoculated them.

So grains was inoculated 17.01.26 and 06.02.26. I spawned to chips.








2 days(08.02.26.) and they were jumping over to the chips like crazy.






A week later(15.02.26.) it looked like this and was given a shake.






After 3 more days(18.02.26.)




By 27.02.26. they were pretty much done colonizing the chips.






By 02.03.26. they were getting pretty hungry for more chips.


Unfortunately me being a perfectionist in chaos I never got around to making more chips to expand so they have been sitting there waiting for food since then, please forgive me.

So today I decided to finally spawn them outside and give them a new meal, one of the big bags had starting to bruise to remind me what kind of an asshole I am, which is fair.



Anyway, I made 2 beds, one small and one large, I'm just going to let the pictures speak for them selves.

So I wanted to try two different places around my house, the big bed never get any direct sunlight and the small only gets a little in the morning and a little right before dawn.

So I dug out soil, and placed a layer of leca for drainage and to level it out, then put down a piece of hemp cloth to prevent the leca from being clogged.




Mixed spawn and hydrated chips with about a 1:4 ratio.






Dumped it in, leveled it out and finished with a top layer of hydrated chips.






Then went to the opposite corner of my yard and did the same thing for the big bed.






Mix and dump.




Level and top layer.






I came out a little short on the top layer so I will have to get another bag of chips, if you're reading this piggy, I am so sorry for not getting some other chips then the smoker chips, but time and will got in the way, hope you can forgive me and I'll do better next year, promise :hug:

And thanks to everybody who have helped along the way, that being with pm's, in this thread or just keeping a great fucking journal, looking at you Tweeq :awesomenod:

That's it folks, it is done :awedance:


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Edited by Kloakk (04/15/26 10:47 AM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Nichrome] * 4
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Well done kloakk

Last year I spawned some 10-month-old Azurescens wood chip spawn that had been inoculated with grain to sterilized chips in July of the previoius year (I lost track/forgot about them).  They were spawned to wood chips outdoors in May.  This was that bag in May.    They fruited a little bit their first year of being spawned (fall 2025), mostly side pins in a pot.




Nichrome said:
Please keep me informed of how it unfolds for you over time. 
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I find that mixing them with semperviva is an especially synergistic, balanced, and enhanced experience that is unique to either one on its own. They work well together as a team.
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Do they pop in the fall for you ever





I ate these for dinner 4/13/2026.  It was a great dose for me; i guessed it to be about equivalent of .5g dry.  That guess felt right on, with a little extra psilocin somethings in the fresh mushrooms.  I enjoy less, often half that dose, too(.25g dry)

These are not my choice mushroom for high-dose experiences, alone.  Not because things get wild and crazy at high doses, but because for me, they don't (but there is more body load).    I've been comparing them to alcohol in my head, where taking more doesn't necessarily make it that much better.  I often feel great at low doses, though, and have thought about re-dosing more than with any other mushrooms.  I might try that, with other types involved. 
I have been thinking these would be great to synergize with other mushrooms, too, and I will try that.  Don't have any semperviva though.


The ovoids have not popped in the fall for me, no, and I've still never seen any other psilocybe fruit in the spring.  The patch that fruited last year was in may, this year it's april.  They're just figuring things out here.



Churpee, It's funny that you say you'll recommend this for first-time shoomers.  I've been thinking about this, and agree that ovoids are very gentle, (also safe, trusted, tame) and that likely nothing too wild and scary is going to happen to an unprepared mind.  But, it may not have the same wow-factor that other mushrooms, including cubensis can have.  I'm partial to a high dose first experience, (like my 3.6g cubensis).  It depends on the person, maybe for adventurous types panaeolus, subtropicalis, or cubensis could be a memorable first (I think that may be the only situation where I think cubensis would be the preferred choice to eat).  I do appreciate, and generally recommend people easing in to getting comfortable with mushrooms and increasing the dosage as they feel called, and that ovoids would probably be my default first recommendation for most people, especially those who are hesitant, intimidated, reserved, unsure, or afraid.

That being said, I need to get to know the differences in effects between the woodlovers, more, as they can all be similar to ovoids, now that I think of it.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
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Generic said:
Well done kloakk

Last year I spawned some 10-month-old Azurescens wood chip spawn that had been inoculated with grain to sterilized chips in July of the previoius year (I lost track/forgot about them).  They were spawned to wood chips outdoors in May.  This was that bag in May.
 

They fruited a little bit their first year of being spawned (fall 2025), mostly side pins in a pot.




Thanks Generic :hatsoff:

Excited to see how this run will go and if I get a couple of fruits this first years I'll be very happy indeed :awesomenod:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
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Yeah I normally give first timers cubensis or a low dose of cyanescens. But I must say that for me, cyan clade woodlovers aren't 'tame' at higher doses (say 2-4 gram). Nothing scares the piss our of me like Ps cyan. Though I must say that Pan cyan seems to have more potential for chaos.

The reason they seem such is good beginner's shroom would be the lack of bodyload. I could totally focus on what was going on in my mind. And as a lot of people seem to get kind of upset about body load / nausea / whatever, this would seem to be a nice 'entry level' shroom. It also lacked the swings and goofyness of Pan cyan.


I am also a huge fan of high dose experiences, and especially the overwhelming and chaotic ones. But I've seen several people have pretty adverse reactions to high (first) doses. Became a bit more careful with those. Especially at busy venues / festivals. Ovoids at a festival were very manageable. But I've seen people go batshit crazy on Pan cyans under the same conditions.


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