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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
You don't want a casing layer to be like mud unless you are working with like zaps or something.

The mycelium needs to be able to poke through and form aerial hyphae, which means it needs to colonize it some and should have enough structure for mycelium to breathe.  Once it's colonized it's a bit more forgiving, but you don't want standing water as that will cause pins to abort.

This is ochra.  Sorry I don't have any side shots, but it didn't do the weird side thing I saw earlier in the thread.






As Kunte said above, that looks totally over field capacity. Did you mist it afterwards?

Just to be clear, as it seems like everybody is focusing on heavy misting, I don't do that, I just mentioned Fahster saying he mist's his casing, well, ... to something like you have there haha. I would define the looks of your casing like mud.

Anyway, mine is at normal field capacity and it doesn't look anything like that. I was thinking though that it's probably the YU genetics I'm dealing with which is responsible for this behaviour. It did this strong overlayish thing with Stipe's method too. It didn't do this only when I applied a thin top layer at spawn and nothing else. But then it bloobs so ... ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Pretty unstable genetics too. Mutants, blobs, dwarf's, some big ones, etc. Having fun isolating and dialing in the right growing conditions.

I don't think that the heavy overlay is anything surprising with YU as Ochras also seem to be prone to it. But I'm surprised how it was a normal looking surface untill I added a casing layer!

Edited by koma23 (03/16/26 02:57 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23]
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Let me clarify, I apply it at field capacity.  And keep the humidity very high until the mycelium pokes through (casing run).  That way the peat doesn't compact from watering.

Once the mycelium pokes through, I start watering.  And a lot of times I take a photo after misting.  So it was probably just watered.

This isn't a psilocybe, so the aerial mycelium isn't rhizomorphic.  But you can see how much dryer it looks during the casing run.



And in this photo you can see the sparkles from the water droplets during pinning.  You want sparkles not pooling.



And one that I overwatered just a touch.  It's very wet but no pools.



One that's just a touch dry, but probably didn't get watered until later because it was just a touch.



Sorry I don't have more cased psilocybe photos.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog]
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Ah gotcha...so, field capacity, leave it alone for case run, initial pins lead to very heavy misting (I have a flairisol bottle so that's likely perfect). That will inevitably wet those first pins, but no worries, get the casing wet and sparkly (whereas in cubes you typically just look for tiny dew drops everywhere). Then, leave it alone unless it looks dry kinda like the first pic.

And for the record, i'm moreso asking what you do specifically as i know there are many different methods / personal tolerances... (like baba essentially says mist those pan pins, if they fail then get a culture that doesn't)


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Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Let me clarify, I apply it at field capacity.  And keep the humidity very high until the mycelium pokes through (casing run).  That way the peat doesn't compact from watering.

Once the mycelium pokes through, I start watering.  And a lot of times I take a photo after misting.  So it was probably just watered.

This isn't a psilocybe, so the aerial mycelium isn't rhizomorphic.  But you can see how much dryer it looks during the casing run.



And in this photo you can see the sparkles from the water droplets during pinning.  You want sparkles not pooling.



And one that I overwatered just a touch.  It's very wet but no pools.



One that's just a touch dry, but probably didn't get watered until later because it was just a touch.



Sorry I don't have more cased psilocybe photos.



Hah, yes, all of that looks very different from my casing. It looks like you don't have any verm, or am I mistaken? All the pics look way more watery than mine, maybe it's because of the different material ... My photos are a couple of days since applying the casing. No misting.





Those ochras in your first photo looked like they had spikey fuzzy feet, so maybe it was too wet for them?

Edited by koma23 (03/16/26 04:53 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kunta Kente] * 1
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Yeah it was an accidental grow, so it was in a pan tent and the humidity was very high.  And no I don't like verm in my casing.  But I also use a lot of calcium carbonate so it already has a lot of minerals and texture.

Anyway I think you're casing looks good.

Kunta Kente said:
Ah gotcha...so, field capacity, leave it alone for case run, initial pins lead to very heavy misting.



I wouldn't call it very heavy misting.  I let it colonize a bit, and then usually give it a good mist once to water the casing.  Essentially, I do the watering other folks do at application after aerial mycelium is visible over most of the casing.

This is a colonized one before it was watered.



And a different jar right after the initial watering.



And then try to keep it glistening until pins or knots start appearing.  Which I do by holding the spray bottle much further back.



Quote:
And for the record, i'm moreso asking what you do specifically as i know there are many different methods / personal tolerances... (like baba essentially says mist those pan pins, if they fail then get a culture that doesn't)



It depends on the species.  I don't like mist on any copelandia other than bisporus.  So, I usually back off on misting and instead side water while they're pinning and fruiting.  But that's not a rule, just a tendancy that can depend on the species and how healthy the fruits or pins look.

And casings are only finicky until the first flush is going well.  But once it's going the colony will forgive a lot of abuse in regard to the casing.  So I'll water it directly to rehydrate it.  Sneaking the sprayer underneath the fruits, so they don't bruise or abort from excessive moisture if they are mid flush.  Or just spraying it heavily after I harvest.  And, Yes here I mean heavily :lol:  Just remember pins don't tend to like pools of water.

But most of this is regarding pans :shrug:


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Edited by tree frog (03/16/26 05:13 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Yeah it was an accidental grow, so it was in a pan tent and the humidity was very high.  And no I don't like verm in my casing.  But I also use a lot of calcium carbonate so it already has a lot of minerals and texture.

Anyway I think you're casing looks good.





Tnx. Yeah, I think so too but I've just noticed plenty of side pins :/:/ so I guess I added the casing too late or should have left it uncased as the side pins look like normal pins, not blobs or mutated. Ah, what can you ... I knew it was a gamble as they are an untested clone so didn't know what the culture needed.

Regarding your examples, just looking at them without context (photos taken just after misting, as you said), yeah they for sure look (are?) over hydrated/muddy, maybe they weren't the best examples for the discussion at hand ┐⁠(∵⁠)⁠┌

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23]
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I think you are misunderstanding the intention of my post because kunta asked about how dark mine are.

You don't want your casing to be like mud, because early on it will wreck the structure.  And later on you don't want the pins to be in standing water, and the surface mycelium will be hydrophobic so often this ends up looking like a fine sparkling mist depending on how colonized it is.

That casing wasn't to wet.  If it was there would be pools, and the pins would be suffering.

But it wasn't like mud either, it has structure.

Also keep in mind there's different grades of peat.  I may be using darker peat moss.  So don't read the color, read the surface.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
I think you are misunderstanding the intention of my post because kunta asked about how dark mine are.

You don't want your casing to be like mud, because early on it will wreck the structure.  And later on you don't want the pins to be in standing water, and the surface mycelium will be hydrophobic so often this ends up looking like a fine sparkling mist.

That casing wasn't to wet.  If it was there would be pools, and the pins would be suffering.

But it wasn't like mud either, it has structure.

Also keep in mind there's different grades of peat.  I may be using darker peat moss.  So don't read the color, read the surface.



Yeah, I'm definitely struggling with decoding casing moisture levels, it's my first time dealing with peat and yours isn't the same as mine. If you say that for your casing over hydration would mean pooling - than ok. Imo if my casing looked like yours, it would be over hydrated bc as it stands now, my casing was more towards the wet side of field capacity, and if it looked like yours it would probably be over.

tree frog said:
I think you are misunderstanding the intention of my post because kunta asked about how dark mine are.



Ok.

Edited by koma23 (03/16/26 07:19 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23]
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Yeah wet side of field capacity is good for fruiting 👍

I like at field capacity until they are poking through most of the surface.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Yeah wet side of field capacity is good for fruiting 👍

I like at field capacity until they are poking through most of the surface.



Ah, never thought about it like that, was just thinking of casing in terms of substrate, but this Is a different application/function. Tnx

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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This pe has a black spot instead of a cap. Is it okay?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: 920]
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920 said:
This pe has a black spot instead of a cap. Is it okay?





Yup not a big deal. Dry it like the rest 👍


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Why popcorn over other types of corn?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: towndaze] * 1
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Mostly starch, as far as I can tell. You CAN use feed corn, but it has a tendency to get skoogy


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 4
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Skoogy is a very cromulent word


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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Got a shoebox of KSSS and there are two very different types of growth.S2B 2/27. Wonder if that sketchy one is cobweb. Does seem to be sort of puffy.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ihansterx4i]
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What is the hottest temperature that cubes can safely tolerate in a monotub? I know old info says 78°f but im wondering if that is outdated

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ihansterx4i]
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ihansterx4i said:



Got a shoebox of KSSS and there are two very different types of growth.S2B 2/27. Wonder if that sketchy one is cobweb. Does seem to be sort of puffy.



That looks normal to me. See the aerial fingers poking out in the second pic? I can also see them forming in your puffy pic.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RhyzoPhreak]
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RhyzoPhreak said:
What is the hottest temperature that cubes can safely tolerate in a monotub? I know old info says 78°f but im wondering if that is outdated



They do well 75 to 80, like pans. Hotter than around 78 leads to more contamination though. The name means 'from cuba.' But yes, it can survive hotter than 80.

It's funny because where I am, the hot South, well... In about 3 weeks outside they would be toast very quickly, but inside we keep it very low 70s. So I need to heat them lol

tree frog said:
I think you are misunderstanding the intention of my post because kunta asked about how dark mine are. 




Thanks TF. Yeah there is a definite appearance difference with all your subs and mine. Yours almost looks like straight black Kow (the thick manure available at big box stores here). I suppose it truly leads to being unless people are using close to the same thing (coir is so much easier!) then visuals can only go so far.

To be fair I'm new to jiffy mix but damn is it an enigma with 'at a glance' hydration. It always looks dark and glistening unless it's dry as hell


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

Edited by Kunta Kente (03/17/26 04:50 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kunta Kente]
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