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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "intuitive process of fruiting". [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Sup guys. Was posting for advice in another post and was directed to this one.

Got a monotub with some White Teacher MSS, inoculatwd on grain nov 11th, s2b on dec 3rd after full colonization on grain bags.

2 days ago after seeing what I thought was full colonization (Pic 1), I started misting the edges cause I thought they were dry (the looked fluffy with no droplets).



To avoid pooling, today I decided to "crack" the lid like this:


Noticed some bruising on the corners and a lack of condensation on the walls of the tub, as well as my first pins in the center (yay). I was advised to keep the lid closed and stop misting, so I did.

So, now (6h later) these are the photos of the current conditions of my tub (with now closed lid, unlatched), 14 days from s2b:




I think I'm still trying to get my head wrapped around when to mist. If I understood correctly I shouldn't even be trying to mist at this stage, so gonna see if I got it right with the micropore and lid.

But I have a few questions:
What could have been the cause of the bruising: that I misted too much in these 2 days or the cracking of the lid giving too much air flow?
If it goes back to droplets on the center and no droplets on the edges with a fluffy look (which is what made me try to do something), should I do something about it or just let it be? (Saw in this post that it is referred to as "matting").
I still have some leftover coco-verm. Should I try to case it with it?
Or should I just let it be and ask again with photos if I see something weird(I'm guessing I may be trying a little too much :c).

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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: Kondragh] * 3
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too much air.  doesnt look like matting, looks like you dried it out.  this is why i use a hole pattern rather than no mod.  unmodded always gave me similar headaches.

use a mister and keep your surface glistening.  hopefully someone will chime in, ive had horrible
migraine for two days.


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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: BeefExtreme]
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So I read your comment and started misting more while keepimg the lid closed. Did it once last night before going to sleep and another before going to work. Came home to a pleasant surprise (a lot of mini pins), so I'm guessing my tub loved a little something to drink.





I'm gonna keep watching the surface and trying to maintain similar conditions onwards.

Thanks!

PS: I read about Bod's easy AF monotub and I'm planning on doing that on my second attempt. But I had already started with this type of monotub.

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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: Kondragh]
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Good to see! Congrats. Try not to mist the pins unless you absolutely have to. Once the flush comes in a little more they create their own micro climate. Too much misting on the pins can lead to some aborts. At this point just maybe don’t mess with it.

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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: AstroSporeFiend] * 3
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AstroSporeFiend said:
Good to see! Congrats. Try not to mist the pins unless you absolutely have to. Once the flush comes in a little more they create their own micro climate. Too much misting on the pins can lead to some aborts. At this point just maybe don’t mess with it.


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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
AstroSporeFiend said:
Good to see! Congrats. Try not to mist the pins unless you absolutely have to. Once the flush comes in a little more they create their own micro climate. Too much misting on the pins can lead to some aborts. At this point just maybe don’t mess with it.


:justno:


They abort if you mist like I used to! :lol:

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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: AstroSporeFiend]
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hob says he mists pins too.  ive always played it safe


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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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I mean, if the sub is dry go for it, for sure. But I’d bet I’ve fucked up a couple flushes from misting too much. I’ve got no definitive proof that’s what caused it, but :shrug:

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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: AstroSporeFiend] * 1
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This is interesting because I've misted pins since I started and I haven't seen anything abort in direct relation to it even though many have told me that my pins will abort when I do this. I always mist and maintain surface conditions after the casing is colonised and pins aborting hasn't really been an issue I've encountered much at all and never in direct relation to misting the pins. I've done this with cubes of various kinds, Pan Cyan, Pan Bisporus, Ochra, Semps and never had an issue with any of these so far.

I can't say that I'm right for sure since I haven't done any proper testing and since I see experienced members recommending to avoid misting pins but I keep it sparkling like this throughout most of the grow and it has worked out nicely for over a year and quite many grows by now.



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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: SkanskKorv] * 1
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I think my problem was probably misting on a schedule rather than when they actually needed it and I also was misting way too heavy. But after those first couple grows, I found this site and learned more about dialing in my conditions, so I haven’t really needed to mist much after I see first pins. I’ve definitely had much better first flushes since, but I did clean up a lot of my process so it could be a number of factors.

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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: AstroSporeFiend] * 4
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Another mister here. As needed, which I usually don't for cubes if I can get the conditions dialed in right. But I use a fine pressure sprayer for everything else, like tamps, semps, & pans. So if the cubes & ochras look like they could use it, they get a fine mist as well.

It has never caused aborts for me, per se. But with slow growers with iffy genetics like SNAPE it does make for less pretty caps or fluffy feet sometimes. The key does seem to be "as needed" versus on a schedule ime. Everyone is working with different cultures and in different environmental conditions, so one absolute set of rules is probably not going to be best for everyone.

I recommend sticking to basics to start out, then start making small adjustments once you have some experience. That way you can make informed comparisons and choices and see what gets better results for your conditions. Sticking to basics will almost always get some mushrooms and a good baseline to start from. Even if you make no changes from the fundamentals, it is possible to grow more mushrooms than you could use in a life time. Everything else is just having fun seeing how far you can push things and maybe learning something that can be shared.


The mister that I use.


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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: ReverendMyc] * 4
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Well put, Rev. That’s great info. 

I currently use something like this. It works well and keeps me from drowning my sub when I need to mist.

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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: Kondragh] * 2
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So a little bigger update:

I think a better off than last time. The pins have gotten huge in just 3 days.
As far as I can tell, it's more humid than what I was going for so I'm still balancing things out.





*I* think the next course of action would be to dial down the misting and maybe take the rest of the micropore from the top holes to increase the airflow just a bit, but since it seems good so far, could also keep it just as it is. I don't wanna dry it out by overcorrecting.

I hope next time I get the conditions on the tub right to just set and (anxiously) forget.

Already bought grain and pint jars and I'm starting to check on agar and SAB tek to take a clone and keep going after this tub. It's been fun so far :smile:

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Edit:
Major development:
Didn't do anything different and lo and behold, not even 16h later they all got even bigger and the first veils popped so I ended up harvesting all of them.

It's my first time so I was thrilled to get anything really but I finally ended up with 864g of shrooms (827g after removing the adhered substrate).

Now I'm dunking my sub and will start the process to hopefully get a second flush tomorrow before leaving for work.

Pics:
Before harvesting:




Harvested goods (including the biggest cluster and biggest individual one):







Now they're drying up (couldn't get the stuff requiered for agar and cloning since I wasn't expecting to harvest so fast (5 days from first pins). Will try to get em ready for second flush if it all goes well.

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Gonna keep asking for advice if needed. Thanks for everything so far guys!
(If you need me to stop filling up this post, I will gladly start another one, np).


Edited by Kondragh (12/21/25 10:59 PM)

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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: Kondragh] * 1
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Bumping because i made an edit and ive been getting asked "the question" a lot again lately.


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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Ok, cool, but how do I jerk off ET?


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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: B Traven] * 1
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good morning sir! Its Friday!


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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" "choking" and the exaltation of "surface conditions" and the... [Re: B Traven]
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B Traven said:
Chug them with some lemon juice and syrian rue.



Warning: do not use syrian rue. This shit should have been buried long ago. Not only does it contain toxic substances, the b-carboline alkaloid profile is very different to ayahuasca, and the effect is not medicinal. On the  contrary, it often adds a layer of incoherence and noise that has no value. It does not ground you the way ayahuasca does.

If you want to enhance the effect of mushrooms for a more therapeutic result, use ayahuasca vine paste or tea made from FRESH vines. Take it just AFTER the shrooms have taken effect, not before. You'll thank me later.

Edited by Elixirel (02/27/26 08:11 AM)

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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" "choking" and the exaltation of "surface conditions" and the... [Re: Elixirel] * 2
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I'll thank you when you learn what a fucking joke is.


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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "intuitive process of fruiting". [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Hey folks, thanks Beef and everyone else for invaluable lessons.

The other day i spawned my first ever tubs and waiting for colonization to happen. It appears rather clear which factors to take into account when considering the water component, i.e. how to monitor the surface for proper conditions. But what about air / FAE? How do I figure if I have not enough FAE even if my water droplets are perfect?

Asking because some of my tubs are rather small (12-15l), the sub layer is thin (5cm) and the lid has no latches, positions itself a bit freely on the box. So i currently have no extra holes at all, but am afraid of lack of air later.

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Re: Death to "fruiting conditions" & "choking". All hail "surface conditions" and the "int... [Re: jonkerston]
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My opinion is that perfect surface conditions are indicative of perfect fae.  Change nothing.


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