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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente] * 1
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Kunta Kente said:
*For reference, I use flowhood and have VERY little contam rates on my agar, and the cubes on the same grain is going great so I doubt the grain is compromised.

Any thoughts on the two no shows from 1/28 or the no growth on almost anything from 2/6?


I grew cubes, tamps, and a lot of different gourmets on my usual grain prep prior to trying pans.  They stalled on milet, rye, and mixes of the two.  Other folks have success with a lot of different grains, but the only grains that worked consistently for me were popcorn and wheat.

And issues with grain are why I've done a lot of AIO grows, and still find it the easiest approach for Pans.  Probably not the best for yields but I get plenty.

But I also run a lot of jars and enjoy being able to fruit out a lot of different projects.



Edit:  My first pan jars did eventually colonize, but I'm talking like months of shaking jars that would go for a little bit, and then stall.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (02/13/26 06:41 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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I just want to keep things in jars for space reasons, if I buried every cake I would have large amounts of extra material in cost and disposal.

I am hoping to inoculate 4 jars tonight with some clone material to see if fruits come easier. My middle innoculations are a point of failure sometimes. I'll try 2 exotic teks and 2 standard teks with the cloned material I guess. Maybe I'll use less liquid in the inoculation.

In the exotic tek thread, V.L. suggested that just BRF as the core worked and potting soil as the casing and results were ok, but I wondered why they didn't mix 50% verm into those.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon]
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I don't use verm anymore outside of BRF, which I barely use.  And yeah I'm all for top fruiting jars.  They grow off cased popcorn, but I like AIO because it is more forgiving in the sense of grain prep. And it gives the mushrooms a more varied diet.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Do you think verm in the casing layer would not be as good? The potting soil I'll be using is a "moisture control" soil so maybe the verm would be overkill or maybe get in the way of the mycelial network?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon]
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I think if it's beneficial depends on what else is in the casing.

I would do multiple jars and try some with and some without, and see which works best for both you and the mushrooms.

My casing, which I just posted in my AIO thread, already has a lot of minerals in it. So adding verm was unhelpful last time I played with it.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (02/13/26 07:00 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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OK thanks I will leave it out of the casing for now, I only have 4 jars available and I wanted to do 2 regular jars with side innoculations with cloned material just in case my center innoculations don't do well. I plan on running more variations but I have 20 jars already colonized that I'm trying things with.

Thank you for the insight.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon]
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You're welcome :smile:

And I hope things work out better for you this time.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Kunta Kente said:
*For reference, I use flowhood and have VERY little contam rates on my agar, and the cubes on the same grain is going great so I doubt the grain is compromised.

Any thoughts on the two no shows from 1/28 or the no growth on almost anything from 2/6?


I grew cubes, tamps, and a lot of different gourmets on my usual grain prep prior to trying pans.  They stalled on milet, rye, and mixes of the two.  Other folks have success with a lot of different grains, but the only grains that worked consistently for me were popcorn and wheat.

And issues with grain are why I've done a lot of AIO grows, and still find it the easiest approach for Pans.  Probably not the best for yields but I get plenty.

But I also run a lot of jars and enjoy being able to fruit out a lot of different projects.



Edit:  My first pan jars did eventually colonize, but I'm talking like months of shaking jars that would go for a little bit, and then stall.



Hmm...interesting. I mean, the specimens i took spores from did well grain >> bulk...not that that really matters. I could easily adjust to doing say, 35-40% grain (rye) and the rest the bulk i would have used, mixed, sterilized, then under flow hood inoculated.

I don't mind top fruiting or whatever...not my primary end goal but absolutely worth a shot. Heck if you think i'd get good results with the plan above then I could potentially just spawn those AIO but pushing higher grain %...i know, defeats the purpose of an AIO but if I am able to go high enough grain % then it makes sense.

I'll of course push through with my current specimens...hopefully i'll land on a culture that loves rye / oats and fruits well and i can call it a day.

thoughts?


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente] * 1
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I learned to do AIO in jars from kirkeng.  Who I believe does 50/50 grain/poo, and then spawns those to bulk.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente]
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When I inoculate against the sides of the jar, I always see growth on day 3 with my BRF and verm PF Tek jars done under steam cycle for 2 hours, not sure if that helps you or not.

I use mini straw pipettes that have bevels. I think I may have a few syringes and needles now that I think about it that I will consider using for the exotic tek for more precise delivery deep in the center core.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon] * 2
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tultedspoon said:
When I inoculate against the sides of the jar, I always see growth on day 3 with my BRF and verm PF Tek jars done under steam cycle for 2 hours, not sure if that helps you or not.

I use mini straw pipettes that have bevels. I think I may have a few syringes and needles now that I think about it that I will consider using for the exotic tek for more precise delivery deep in the center core.


:picdidnthappen:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77]
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I do have T3 plates i'm running against, so i have a reasonable idea of 'ideal' growth. So by no means would i see massive consolidation or anything...but a single out of 12 and visible chips not recovering are weirding me out. Hopefully a few days resolves things.


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente]
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Kunta Kente said:
conz0r said:


I have to use it a little more sideways than intended but it took 20 seconds to zero in the distance. Fucking pwnage for $15.

Right let's do :agar:


Hehe my go to is the stuff I use for electronics. Dental loupes for 3.5x mag at a reasonable distance. Cheap AF from Aliexpress.


Ha! So I've actually ordered a dental surgery set from Amazon as an agar toolkit. The little mirror is what gimme the idea.

I desperately need to hop onto basic electronics work as end of the world training. You couldn't point to something for an avid reader/visual learner? Like novice stuff, I'm into my physics but engineering just never crept into my life.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: conz0r] * 1
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I've got a cheap tomlov 1200x digital microscope too but not much license to use it at the moment.

All the transfers are looking happy btw, the Indian graveyard is coming along. I'm just modding some boxes at the moment

Doing test holes and nailing down my technique before doing the proper ones, I've done enough line work to know the gist. I'm making 4 all in one tubs inspired by tree-frog. 1.8 L capacity for 1L of material, 5 filters on top, one on each side. Then 4 1L spawn tubs, 5 filters on top in dice pattern.

I'll get back when ones done.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon]
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tultedspoon said:
OK thanks I will leave it out of the casing for now, I only have 4 jars available and I wanted to do 2 regular jars with side innoculations with cloned material just in case my center innoculations don't do well. I plan on running more variations but I have 20 jars already colonized that I'm trying things with.

Thank you for the insight.


We're doing the same thing at the moment tilted. If you'd like we can do it side by side. But I'm brain-damaged so no faff please xXxX it'll short me out.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: conz0r]
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We're going 60% coir, 20% verm, 20% castings. The verm will hopefully keep it aerated after the shake and tamp and the .8L gap between the surface and lid (maybe less after psuedo-casing) there will be good air flow for pin development. The rye grass seed hasn't arrived yet but later iterations will include some. If I had rye seed I'd scrap the verm. They'll all get T+1 agar wedges for good clone selection.

***Edit: This is not Tree-Frogs Tek. I have used her AIO jar tek as a guideline for what I'm trying at the moment. It is a work in progress and I do not advise you copy what I'm doing***

:dogpipe: I'd love to get your opinion actually Ms. Tree-frog xXxX

:crazykitty: Tree-frog made me do it.


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Be lucky, may light walk with you.





Edited by conz0r (02/14/26 08:52 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: conz0r]
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Mk.1



Any suggestions?

I'm thinking it'll give em high humidity with air flow till they're strong enough to just sit on the windowsill without a lid.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: conz0r] * 1
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If you are planning to do those AIO, be sure all the material is PP5 or it will melt in the PC.

And open-air fruiting can work if the humidity is high and you mist frequently.

I did bisporus and grass in my sunroom a few years ago and they were very happy.  Though I went overboard with the grass.



Those were dub tubbed until they were big enough to leave the lid off.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (02/14/26 08:55 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Cheers for that...



Pretty sure they're alright, they can be microwaved, I've got no way of finding the number unless they're PP 7 and that's what the marking means (they're generic supermarket but the higher quality ones, not the Chinese containers)

Got a baby screaming next door I can't think what I wanna write... Just thanks again tree frog. These are what I'm using for grain too, so I fucking hope they work. Might have to test one in there to start, it's just a 23L cooker so it feels like a waste for just a tub lol

More of a waste if it melts everything with grain and sub inside! Yeah I'll test, but the markings lead me to believe they're fine.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: conz0r]
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conz0r said:
I desperately need to hop onto basic electronics work as end of the world training. You couldn't point to something for an avid reader/visual learner? Like novice stuff, I'm into my physics but engineering just never crept into my life.


ehh tbh I'm the type that dives in way too hard too fast into hobbies like that. So, after my launch PS5 broke recently, I took it apart, watched a bunch of videos on repairing them, spent a little cash to get a better soldering iron, a digital multimeter, the loupes, a silicone mat, and too much other gear. I refreshed my soldering skills working on some raspberry pi projects, then ended up fixing the PS5.

I wouldn't expect many people to take the route I did. I by no means am experienced, nor am I able to just flat out "dream up" a circuit. ChatGPT does that lol. But I can then spend way too long making it.

Soooooo, if you really wanna mess around, load up chatGPT, discuss with it a reasonable beginner's project with a raspberry pi pico 2 or similar inexpensive Pi, and try that out. for example, you could build a timer circuit with the Pi and a simple GPT made program to deal with the FAE cycling in a tent, controlling the humidifier + intake fan as well as the exhaust fan...if you wanted even more complexity/utility you could even get a 10-20 dollar high accuracy high humidity sensor for that, or add a water tray sensor that pings your phone if low on water or if the drip tray fills up.


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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