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Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium
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Hi,
this is my first post.
I have been studying everything at https://www.shroomery.org/8421/Panaeolus-cyanescens-FAQ for a long time.

Currently, my Pan Cayan is growing through my 1/4"casing Layer so quickly and strongly that they only have completely white mycelium again. Can it still fruit? What am I doing wrong, or can I still change something, or do I just need to be patient?

The room where I grow is constantly around 26.5 degrees Celsius (79.7 degrees Fahrenheit). For growing and colonizing, I use the shelves above, where it is slightly warmer. That way, there is no big difference. Could this be a problem?
If Cubs don't fruit in the cold, does this also work with Pans?

or could be the Problem the Pan LC what i got?




thanks for help!


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Edited by blueprint (11/24/25 04:11 PM)

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting [Re: blueprint] * 1
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What. Stitch and what setup are you using?
Pics?
And some genetics just do that :shrug:


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: blueprint]
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Welcome to the shroomery! Good for you for trying to have a look around and find some resources. This thead is the most active current discussion and repository. Plenty of helpful people and hundreds of pages to learn from. I don’t particularly have any thoughts about your overlay but I am sure you’ll find some opinions over there! :mushroom2:

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: blueprint] * 1
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Temperature looks fine and the casing doesn't look bad.

How long have you waited and what is the rH running?

Eating the casing is fine as long as it doesn't get like this.



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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: tree frog]
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Thanks
Casing Layer was made 2 Days ago - it is very fast..
"what is the rH running?" what is rH?

If the top layer of your image looks like this, is it over? No more Hope?
What are the causes? Is it generally the spores or the LC culture?
Or what are the causes of the strong overgrowth of the top layer with mycelium?


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Edited by blueprint (11/24/25 04:08 PM)

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: blueprint]
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Thank You


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: blueprint]
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Yeah it's usually the culture is the cause.  At least for the species you are growing.

I have had cyans fruit through a casing like that, but I had to keep the humidity very high so it didn't dry out.  The species actually pictured is one that is kind of temperamental so, that tray I recased and gave plants.

For cyans, I usually run out a different culture when I encounter one that wants to eat the casing instead of fruiting.  But with how yours looks now I wouldn't worry about it, some colonization is normal. You just don't want it completely white on top. And if that does happen pop into the pan thread that was linked so you can get more advice than just mine.

And rH is relative humidity.  It looked fine from what I could see in your photo.  Assuming it wasn't just misted anyway.


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And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Yeah it's usually the culture is the cause.  At least for the species you are growing.



This means that my entire LC is destined for the trash.:confused:

If I start over and transfer LC to agar, is there any hope of success, or can I save myself the trouble and assume that the entire genetic material is no good?

It's so difficult to get good genetic material where I live...


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Edited by blueprint (11/25/25 03:55 AM)

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: blueprint] * 1
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No it doesn't mean that, I was just telling you what I do.  And I was talking about trays that completely eat the casing.

Trays that look like the ones that you posted I would not be super worried about.

Keep the temperature and rH where you have it.  And you will hopefully see pins in a few days.

If it continues to vegetate instead of pin, ask in this thread.  That way you get more perspectives. I have spores, and tend to run out multiple cultures at a time so if one does that to me, I don't try to rescue it.  But that's just me.  Someone else might have better advice for you.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22216410/page/1


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And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: tree frog] * 2
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My last tub of cyans looked like yours. It fruited just fine. Good luck!



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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: NotImlay]
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Thanks- that makes me hope..

how long it took till the start to show pins?

my overlay is in progress



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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: blueprint]
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It was about 8 days after casing for pins. My culture fruited from the overlay. If the overlay gets matted it won’t fruit from those spots.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: NotImlay] * 2
    #29416166 -

@all thank you verry much - they are small but wow what for a Trip with 1g dried..



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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: blueprint]
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:grannycheer:

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens - Fruting - Casing layer full of mycelium [Re: blueprint]
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blueprint said:
@all thank you verry much - they are small but wow what for a Trip with 1g dried..




:neat:


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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