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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy]
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I posted in the website forum to see if the admins can push some keystrokes to fix it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 1NFIN8] * 2
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This looks to be fixed btw. Ythan to the rescue!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 1NFIN8] * 7
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Getting some good morphology out of an unmodified tub.  These are the third flush so it's pretty sparse but I'm happy with how the stipes and caps look.

I'm using a couple of seedling mats to heat the 80qt tub, with a layer of perlite and water on the bottom to keep the humidity up.  And then a rack on the perlite so the trays aren't resting on the heated rocks.



Handles up all the way around leaving a gap like this.



Temp set to 77f.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 6
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Pheno hunt time.  I’ll take the thick long ones in the cluster please




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: trippleblack]
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i have got this humus (ordered as worm castings), verm, coir, hydrated lime and BRF on hand and plan to make small (220cc) pan-cakes in jars with metal lid and 2 1/4 inch holes (probably overkill) covered with filter stickers.

how would you go about it , especially how much humus would you throw in the mix?
and which PH would you shoot for.
its for pans





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Edited by chris77 (11/19/25 05:04 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:





:takingnotes:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77] * 2
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Two tablespoons per 500ml of wet substrate is what thirdeyewild uses.  Castings are fairly rich compared to manure.

What do you plan to use for carbon?

Oh and the pickling lime is for the casing.  It's not needed for the substrate.  But for the casing you want a pH around 7.5 or 8.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Two tablespoons per 500ml of wet substrate is what thirdeyewild uses.  Castings are fairly rich compared to manure.

What do you plan to use for carbon?

Oh and the pickling lime is for the casing.  It's not needed for the substrate.  But for the casing you want a pH around 7.5 or 8.


BRF i thought?

the N product is humus (from worm castings supposedly) and looks like this.
2 tablespoons for 500ml wet. luckily i asked would have given far too much 😏


sure, lime for the peat casing later on. ph 8 ok, like for cubensis.

tx TF


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Edited by chris77 (11/19/25 07:38 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77] * 2
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Yeah BRF is fine I was just curious.

If you want to get really technical you need about 1g of nitrogen for every 30g of carbs.

100g of castings is around 5g of N.

And 100g of BRF is around 70g of C.  But 11g of protein which works out to around 1.5g of N.

So..  you need about 1g more N per 100g of BRF which is 20g of castings.  Or a 5:1 ratio by dry weight.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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i like technical- a lot

:hotdamn:

hiw did you get this information if i may ask?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77] * 1
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They did a study on the nutritional needs of copelandia in China.  Unfortunately I can only find the abstract translated, but it does have good information even if we can't peer review their methods.

https://europepmc.org/article/CBA/602890

As far as the rest.

The NKP content of worm castings can vary, but it's usually around 5%.  The nutritional content of brown rice flour I looked up.  And there's protein to nitrogen conversion calculators on the web.

But all of this needs to be viewed as rough estimates.  In other words things can vary, and the protein to nitrogen conversion ratios aren't exact either.  Because different types of protein have different amounts of available N.

Hence me saying about all the way through my last post.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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tree frog said:
They did a study on the nutritional needs of copelandia in China.  Unfortunately I can only find the abstract translated, but it does have good information even if we can't peer review their methods.

https://europepmc.org/article/CBA/602890

As far as the rest.

The NKP content of worm castings can vary, but it's usually around 5%.  The nutritional content of brown rice flour I looked up.  And there's protein to nitrogen conversion calculators on the web.

But all of this needs to be viewed as rough estimates.  In other words things can vary, and the protein to nitrogen conversion ratios aren't exact either.  Because different types of protein have different amounts of available N.

Hence me saying about all the way through my last post.


cool, very interesting!!
so you assume that this bag labeled manure is probably 100%wormcastings?
i guess i will go with your rough estimate.
thanks a bunch

edit: 3%total N (which underlines your estimate of 5% N in wormcastings as its 60% organic matter (wormshit) in the bag i have on hand.

so… it all fits
tx again


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Edited by chris77 (11/19/25 10:49 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77]
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does casing with verm work or not good at all? any success stories?
is peat preferred for better water retention or other reasons?


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Edited by chris77 (11/20/25 03:21 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77] * 1
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chris77 said:
does casing with verm work or not good at all? any success stories?
is peat preferred for better water retention or other reasons?


In my case I never got good results with just verm, I think a little nutrient in the casing is a good thing and I can never tell how saturated my verm is.

That said, a casing with 50% verm has done fine, but 20% seems to be my sweet spot, that's just me though and I can't get peat so never tried.

:2cents:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77] * 2
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chris77 said:
does casing with verm work or not good at all? any success stories?
is peat preferred for better water retention or other reasons?


Peat is organic matter that mimics good top soil when pH adjusted.  It's not moisture retention, it's actually aeration compared to verm, as well as humic and pumic acids.

I've tried straight verm and it was not good.  It's just minerals, not organic matter.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 6
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Thanks you, I did exactly that..temps have been a bitch here (1st big chill just hit) Im just dub tubbing in 10l shoebox tubs.

My first successful pan grow…couldn’t be happier.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
chris77 said:
does casing with verm work or not good at all? any success stories?
is peat preferred for better water retention or other reasons?


Peat is organic matter that mimics good top soil when pH adjusted.  It's not moisture retention, it's actually aeration compared to verm, as well as humic and pumic acids.

I've tried straight verm and it was not good.  It's just minerals, not organic matter.


fulvic acids you mean?
can‘t find pumic acids


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77] * 1
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Yeah probably lol


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77] * 4
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chris77 said:
tree frog said:
chris77 said:
does casing with verm work or not good at all? any success stories?
is peat preferred for better water retention or other reasons?


Peat is organic matter that mimics good top soil when pH adjusted.  It's not moisture retention, it's actually aeration compared to verm, as well as humic and pumic acids.

I've tried straight verm and it was not good.  It's just minerals, not organic matter.


fulvic acids you mean?
can‘t find pumic acids


Pumic acid


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You can ignore the truth to your final breath. But trust me, it will meet you there to be ignored no longer.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 1NFIN8] * 5
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What is that picture?... puma drooling acid?
:facepalm: :awelol:

Pic tax: MIB mini's


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