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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger] * 1
    #29363951 -

Jake did that one.

To be pedantic, it is a hybrid.  Tropicalis/Cyan.

MiB is PHV + another cyan btw.

Both have been around for awhile.

My friend smoogles is doing a lot of breeding.  If that's something you're interested in, I'd suggest peaking in on his journal.

My own little experiment, a di-mon pairing of a wild cyan print from the same collector and location as BVI and the domesticated strain.

BVI - BC (back cross)



I'll probably run several different di-mon pairs, and take prints from the best four as I stabilize it.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (10/04/25 10:46 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
    #29364102 -

So I left my lids offset by about a cm, left the doors open, and ran the ceiling fan in that room over night. Dried out all my mushrooms 😂

So maybe just offset lids and open doors.


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A Love Letter to New Growers
The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

:kodama:


Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 3
    #29364111 -

Whoops!

How dry?  You might be able to mist them a bit if they were big enough.

They're tougher than they look.

Outdoors, like 70 humidity.


In a dreamer, with evaporation cycles every ten minutes (90-80 rH).


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
    #29364123 -

They’re all pretty small. I figure I’ll probably eat them; a lot more pins popped up overnight. I don’t mind eating them. I’m tripping today anyway, I’ll just add them to my cube dose.


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A Love Letter to New Growers
The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

:kodama:


Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
    #29364134 -

@smelly, something to consider is tote density and proximity to walls. In tubs they’ll get adequate airflow if more open space around the totes, at least I notice a decline in performance when totes are stationed say in corners of my room whereby the totes are sitting next to the corner. Inside the cabinet with doors open could still restrict too much. All that to say when I’m running pans in tubs placement in the room is something I personally take into account, the most open areas are generally dedicated to pans, corner and side units reserved for cubes.

I’m not saying don’t try it but something to keep in mind if further tinkering is needed. Bisporus can generally handle heavy misting if evaporation is high enough so don’t be worried about over watering them especially if you have fast drying, slow drying there could be more worry of blotching.

Ceiling fan is likely too strong and generating significant drafts, if you need more airflow opt for a gentler fan, air purifiers tend to have super gentle fan settings if that is an option, but again with enough space the extra fan is not needed, a cracked window can do the trick too…

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
    #29364156 -

Yeah, that's why I suggested computer fans inside the cabinet. Like you could put one or two in the bottom on the lowest setting just to circulate air in there.

And then use your top shelf where they are further away from the fans for pin setting, the shelves closer for fruit maturing.

But honestly, if you don't need to be stealth, they'd probably be happier out of the cabinet like kirkeng suggested.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
    #29364162 -

Not so much stealth related as square footage. I’ve stole enough of the house 😂

I’ll start playing with it. I’ll be doing more bispo grows in the next year. I’ll get something somewhat optimized. Enough to trip on per box is all I want until I have a room to myself.


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A Love Letter to New Growers
The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

:kodama:


Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #29364173 -

Have some ideas involving bottom watering and seed mats that I think would be easy to replicate, assuming it works how I imagine.

Since the gnats are out of season, I'll play around with it using some jars that are colonizing now.  Would love to help make bisporus more accessible.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
    #29364194 -

That’s my goal and I welcome all input. Credit isn’t an issue for me idc. Would like to get people like me with a limited footprint and simple tools growing pans in general. I can get pans to grow,  but they’re short. I get 2 doses out of a shoebox at a time, which is more than plenty for me but not exactly “good.” Little squat things. Bisporus even on that scale would be great.


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A Love Letter to New Growers
The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

:kodama:


Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #29364201 -

I will take some photos and post again in about 10 minutes, my jars aren't ready but I can give you an idea of what I'm considering and the mechanics behind my thoughts.

Also, all credit to mother nature. I'm just aping her for the most part.  And other apes that have aped her of course.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
    #29364202 -

tree frog said:
Jake did that one.

To be pedantic, it is a hybrid.  Tropicalis/Cyan.

MiB is PHV + another cyan btw.

Both have been around for awhile.

My friend smoogles is doing a lot of breeding.  If that's something you're interested in, I'd suggest peaking in on his journal.

My own little experiment, a di-mon pairing of a wild cyan print from the same collector and location as BVI and the domesticated strain.

BVI - BC (back cross)



I'll probably run several different di-mon pairs, and take prints from the best four as I stabilize it.


Ah.. I thought i read it was a hybrid too (would explain the venom) I just did a google search because I couldn’t remember and the stupid ai bot thingy said the other pan was unknown.

Appreciate the clarification TF

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #29364205 -

Yeah, so tropicalis is primarily two spored (pseudo homothallic).

Hence the need for snake venom to hybridize it.  Most of the spores are already dikaryons at germination, similar to bisporus.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
    #29364214 -

Good info on the shoebox placement. I had been bagging my stacks in a trashbag and then putting that in a big cardboard box just for cleanliness. I also use a ceiling fan a lot, and it makes optimizing moisture a lot harder. Sometimes I have to barely open a lid or it will dry out quick as you say. Creating a roof can help with that as well, situate some tote lids over your projects with basic supports on the sides, it will keep things a little more out of the fan.

And yea it's not so much stealth as square footage and trying to make room for everything. I only keep them in the bags/boxes when I'm out but when I'm around I have most my projects sitting on my bed on a dedicated shroom blanket and some big mono tote lids so I can mist when it calls. Things kind of came up and I'm still working to get my PFtek started. I'm trying and always reading I read every post.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 3
    #29364246 -

Tri-tub.  Poked six holes in the middle shoebox with a hot nail.



Put the middle tray in an unmodified bottom tray.


Added a thick layer of perlite to elevate our thin substrate for good evaporation, and to hold more water. The substrate will rest directly on the perlite, and the whole thing will go in the compost afterwards.  Ran the thermometer between the two tubs.


Set the whole thing on a seed mat.  Profit?


Anyway, I added water already to the bottom tray to demonstrate the idea.  When I actually spawn it I will do this after it's colonized and cased.

My thoughts on it from experimenting with bottom watering in the dreamers is that heating from the bottom will cause a lot of humidity inside the setup.  And once the mushrooms hit the top of the middle tray, they should get quite a bit of evaporation too.

We'll see how it goes.  If my jars are clean I'll have spawn ready in a few days.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 3
    #29364256 -

Thanks for the information. I'm not ready for anything like crossing yet. I'm still very new to the world of pans and had never seen that acronym before. I'm still trying to get my first attempts to fruit and then may attempt cloning if anything looks good.

Update on my 9/25 ttbvi LI test. I'm not quite sure if it's ready to be cased, my hunch is to let it go another day or two. I think I got lucky with the LI, it was from a section of the first spore germ plate.




This second sample from 9/29 is moving pretty fast. My T1 "D" sample from the original spore plate was the best looking sample on agar. I put a T3 "D" LI to grains 2 days ago and I think it's going to be a winner, but we will see.




I received MIB spores at the same time as ttbvi, but the MIB is not colonizing anywhere near the rate of the bvi. I may have to try a different sub with it.

Does anything look concerning with these?

Another question for you Ms. Tree frog, on your dreamer setup are you still going without the additional holes in the tubs? If I recall correctly, you were confident that the air coming in from the fogger was enough and your fans were setup to pull air out. My dreamers are setup similar, 2 minutes of fogger, then about 5 minutes for it to settle, then the exhaust fans kick on for two minutes.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger]
    #29364281 -

I did put holes in them.  And covered them with sfd stickers to keep gnats out.



This is the tub with the sensors.  Fan is on exhaust.  And has a dust cover to keep gnats out.  Sensor holes tapped with water proof tape for plumbing (but not 'plumbers tape' for faucets, sorry I forget what the product is called).  Again, gnats.



The trays sit like this.  To give them some space from the heating pads and the intake holes.



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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
    #29364285 -

Oh and those look good so far, but I've had a lot of cyans fake me out to be honest.  Look good up until after they're cased and hit the warmer temperatures.

But usually they will still put out at least one flush even if they go green, unless it's trich.  It's often to fast.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
    #29364297 -

Thank you! I stopped using my digital fogger with the sensor as it was not accurate compared to few gauges I had inside the tubs. The fogger only went up to 90% RH and could not hold the humidity at that level when the fans were running. I raised my dreamers off of the seeding mat with Mason jar rings to avoid close contact. I'll turn the heat back on so I have a few days to dial in the temps.

I'll add some holes to the tubs, I don't have sfd's, but plenty of micropore tape. I was thinking about adding an intake fan, but I'll start will holes.

On my first container from 9/25, do you agree that I should give it another couple of days before casing?

Thanks as always.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 7
    #29364303 -

Appreciate the introduction tree frog. Hi all, looking forward to documenting my journey here. I was a part of some smaller communities on different platforms for the past couple years. Figured it was a good time to jump on here and swim in a bigger pond of like minded individuals.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smoogles] * 1
    #29364328 -

Like your idea TF to avoid directly heating your sub. I've used cut outs of fluorescent light louvers to raise the shoebox off the heat mat in the past, might also help in your situation, if needed?



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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
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