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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
I might mist after I apply the casing, and I might mist right when I put it into the chambers to pin, at the same time I bottom water.

Depends on how moist it is.  But otherwise no. I rarely mist anymore.

I have 12 jars I'm about to run. I'll do a grow log of the whole process in the coming days.


So you just keep it soaked in water for all flushes after putting it in the FC? Sounds like I could skip a lot of unnecessary work I've been doing


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 3
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Hey treefrog,
I think I saw you using lids with SFDs somewhere. Maybe I will use them next time.  The lid stays on until pinning, not only until colonisation of the casing layer?

In your AIO jar posts it seemed like you tried fruiting conditions right after casing. I also tried this. It seems to work but is a bit of a gamble if it dries out too much, at least in my setup. Or maybe I misinterpreted that. And the methods we use are always changing.

Here is a case where the casing dried out, so a couple pins abborted after spraying on it. Despite of that, I am happy with the flush. Picture from today: Pan. cyan extinct volcano 🌋 Coyopolan.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Magic potion] * 2
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Kinda.  The lid is snapped tight during colonization to keep gnats out.  Flipped once I move it to the chamber to allow some gas exchange.

@skanks, the casing isn't soaked.  Saturated casings won't pin.  It's just misted after applying and once more if it needs it when I move it to the chamber.

The tray itself can sit in water the whole time.  The mycelium will pull water if it needs it, and because they won't pin in saturated conditions (see my comment above about casings), this will function similar to a liner.  Preventing side and bottom pins.

After the first flush I rinse the top off, to dispose of any mushroom pieces that didn't make it into the dehydrator, and change the bottom water.  I don't replace the lid for later flushes, just use it for initial pin setting.

So, very little actual misting but a lot of water.

I'll start a grow log maybe this evening, since I have a jar ready to go and pictures help explain it better.

But it will be a week probably before I can take photos of the bottom watering and misting.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Some beautiful grows on here :ooo:
I'm working on my first... trying the monotub thing.

I've got a couple tubs going and I noticed today, that I think I may have contam, but I thought I'd ask incase this is some pan myc behavior I just don't know about.
There are some little dots appearing on the side of my tub, just as some little pins are emerging. Does this mean it's toast? Thanks.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lamech]
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Those could be knots or they could be contamination. If you have pins forming already though I wouldn't toss the tub even if it does go green right there.

Pans will mature fast enough that they can outrun green on the first flush, especially if they're already making pins.

My guess though is you're about to have a lot of side pins.  You'll know better in 24 hours.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (09/10/25 02:10 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Thanks tree frog, upon further reflection I think you're right. I had another grow from this batch go bad, but it looked a little different and the spawn had a distinct smell of chocolate so I knew it probably wouldn't make it haha

In light of the pins, do you think I should case and introduce FC? I have all the holes covered at the moment.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lamech]
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I wouldn't case if it's already pinning.  And I would probably wait until tomorrow to open the holes, it's really the fruit bodies that want the good air exchange.  Pins are forming fine now so they either like what you're doing, or are trying to beat some competition.

From what I can see though it's trying to use your top layer as a casing, it appears to be colonized on the side where I can see it.

Again my guess is that it's not contaminated.  But I'm not there so, no promises.


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And if I only could
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I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Kinda.  The lid is snapped tight during colonization to keep gnats out.  Flipped once I move it to the chamber to allow some gas exchange.

@skanks, the casing isn't soaked.  Saturated casings won't pin.  It's just misted after applying and once more if it needs it when I move it to the chamber.

The tray itself can sit in water the whole time.  The mycelium will pull water if it needs it, and because they won't pin in saturated conditions (see my comment above about casings), this will function similar to a liner.  Preventing side and bottom pins.

After the first flush I rinse the top off, to dispose of any mushroom pieces that didn't make it into the dehydrator, and change the bottom water.  I don't replace the lid for later flushes, just use it for initial pin setting.

So, very little actual misting but a lot of water.

I'll start a grow log maybe this evening, since I have a jar ready to go and pictures help explain it better.

But it will be a week probably before I can take photos of the bottom watering and misting.



Okay so soak the substrate but keep the casing just as normal? I thought the mycelium would drown from being constantly saturated but these are great news to me since it will help me know my sub is moist enough.

I'll be looking forward to the grow log!:rockon:


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Edited by SkanskKorv (09/11/25 08:19 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 2
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Yeah, but not until it's colonized.  Here's the start, feel free to camp and ask questions.  Once I finish the grow I'll cobble together a tek thread of some sort from it.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29340333#29340333


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 5
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Finally got a a decent looking T2 xfer of my ttbvi.



And grains moving along, I'm like kid in a candy store. Sub is prepped and waiting, my peat is sifted, just need to get it to proper ph/field capacity and pasturized, but I have time.






LI test on bottom jar.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger] * 1
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All in regards to pans:

Do you like scrapping prints with a scalpel then using a wetted q tip smear? That's what I typically do.

And how much of say, a nickel sized print do you use per q tip? Do you use that q tip on several plates before tossing?


It's been forever since I've been here, all my plates are gone, and I got a get my agar running again. Just a sanity check haha


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente] * 1
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I'm no expert but I just used a sterile dry swab and just wiped the very edge of the print, then to agar. I only used the swab once.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger] * 9
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Pan 'jamaica'




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger]
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Centerfinger said:
I'm no expert but I just used a sterile dry swab and just wiped the very edge of the print, then to agar. I only used the swab once.


Same.

Unless, it's a wild print.

Then swab multiple plates with one swab, and some of those plates are water agar.  But still only wiping the print once per swab.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: goatboy666] * 1
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goatboy666 said:
Pan 'jamaica'






Don’t think I’ve ever seen golden brown pans, that’s purdy.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 3.A.M] * 2
    #29341269 -

I had the same thought.

Have a Jamaican strain on grain, I hope it's the same :smile:


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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:shock:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Wedgie] * 1
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Aren't those just Jambos?

Sorry I don't remember exactly but I'm sure that's Jamaican

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: DERRAYLD] * 1
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Jambos are definitely Jamaican but I’ve only ever seen grey/blue jambos, I’ve grown some brassy brownish pans but nothing like those dusky cube looking things above :/
We need more information goatboy!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: DERRAYLD] * 5
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DERRAYLD said:
Aren't those just Jambos?

Sorry I don't remember exactly but I'm sure that's Jamaican


Jambo's.


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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