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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lostsoul1976] * 1
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lostsoul1976 said:
So pulled the first flush not huge, but I left a bunch of small ones and there’s already a better pin set coming up.  But I’m calling this a success.




🥳🥳🥳



It is a success, even though it's not a huge flush, the fruits look real healthy so you did good my man.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Rip the band-aid off and tell me my jars contaminated. Serves me right this jar was sterilised with my instant pot


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I eat a few.  should be real tender.  Its tasty.  No starchiness or crunchiness.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: el boso]
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el boso said:



Rip the band-aid off and tell me my jars contaminated. Serves me right this jar was sterilized with my instant pot



What species, how old and can you take pictures of the whole jar?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Kloakk said:
lostsoul1976 said:
So pulled the first flush not huge, but I left a bunch of small ones and there’s already a better pin set coming up.  But I’m calling this a success.




🥳🥳🥳



It is a success, even though it's not a huge flush, the fruits look real healthy so you did good my man.
:snoopyes:



Thank you sir. Much credit goes to knowledge gained from members like yourself and other on this site and especially this thread.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lostsoul1976]
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lostsoul1976 said:
Thank you sir. Much credit goes to knowledge gained from members like yourself and other on this site and especially this thread.



Thank you and I feel the same way, everything I know about mushroom cultivation I learned here or from my own failures :lol:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 4
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Kloakk said:
What species, how old and can you take pictures of the whole jar?



Bisporus, I'd have to say a month, it's cold down here so it's been a while.



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I eat a few.  should be real tender.  Its tasty.  No starchiness or crunchiness.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lostsoul1976] * 10
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Not really a second flush. I let these grow out and only picked the biggest ones from the first harvest. Did the same with this one. So maybe flush 1 b.



So 28g wet so far.
Also I figured out you kno when they’re done when you can just push them over and they break off perfectly at sub level.

Edited by lostsoul1976 (08/28/25 06:58 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lostsoul1976] * 10
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Some TTBVI action.  Grew these on pasteurized coir/manure/verm/gypsum.  First time I did pasteurized.  Actually seems much less fussy than sterilization.  Just growing in humidity domes and misitng twice daily.  Cased with pasteurized peat moss verm pH 9 with lime and pH meter. 

Now I have a dilemma.  Looks like stars are going to line up for me to trip this weekend and want to take a good solid dose.  Want to give fresh a go.  About 700mg of dried TTBVI is my sweet spot.  How many grams of fresh 7? 10?  1g dried was a bit much of TTBVI....so maybe err on the lower side 7g fresh sound right?

Or do I just go with 20-30 grams of fresh ochras?  Decisions decisions.....:trippinbawelz:


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I may not have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, but I have taken 20 grams of fresh subtropicalis :smile:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hardhead] * 1
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el boso said:
Kloakk said:
What species, how old and can you take pictures of the whole jar?



Bisporus, I'd have to say a month, it's cold down here so it's been a while.





Not the best pictures I've seen there boss :lol: That said, I would send them, do 1:2 just to increase chances if it is a little bacterial :rockon:

lostsoul1976 said:
Not really a second flush. I let these grow out and only picked the biggest ones from the first harvest. Did the same with this one. So maybe flush 1 b.



So 28g wet so far.
Also I figured out you kno when they’re done when you can just push them over and they break off perfectly at sub level.



:chefskiss:

hardhead43 said:



Some TTBVI action.  Grew these on pasteurized coir/manure/verm/gypsum.  First time I did pasteurized.  Actually seems much less fussy than sterilization.  Just growing in humidity domes and misting twice daily.  Cased with pasteurized peat moss verm pH 9 with lime and pH meter. 

Now I have a dilemma.  Looks like stars are going to line up for me to trip this weekend and want to take a good solid dose.  Want to give fresh a go.  About 700mg of dried TTBVI is my sweet spot.  How many grams of fresh 7? 10?  1g dried was a bit much of TTBVI....so maybe err on the lower side 7g fresh sound right?

Or do I just go with 20-30 grams of fresh ochras?  Decisions decisions.....:trippinbawelz:





Nice fruits dude :rockon:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Kloakk said:
Not the best pictures I've seen there boss :lol: That said, I would send them, do 1:2 just to increase chances if it is a little bacterial :rockon:




Yeah haha! Morning photography isn't my strongest suit. I'm gonna ask a second time, because I know I've asked before, so apologies for the double up. What's the spawn to bulk process. Or is there a specific tek you follow. I wanna do 50/50 cow manure/coir. Can you do pseudo casings with pans, I know that's how I grew my old TTBVI'S. However, I always had lack luster fruit.

Edit: I read over Babas manure tea pasteurisation method, and Tree Frogs pest casing method - should I follow those two?

My brain is telling me this is the method I should follow, please correct me if I'm wrong

Step 1 - make 50/50 cpoo/coir substrate @ FC (Baba Yaga's pastursation tek)
Step 2 - s2b using my spawn and the substrate @ 1:2 ratio
Step 3 - put in shoeboxes, compress, place lid on and allow to colonize until surface is 100% colonised with myc
Step 4 - once fully colonised case and place in dreamer tub (Tree Frog casing method)


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I eat a few.  should be real tender.  Its tasty.  No starchiness or crunchiness.

Edited by el boso (08/29/25 05:02 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: el boso]
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el boso said:
Yeah haha! Morning photography isn't my strongest suit. So I'm gonna ask a second time, because I know I've asked before, so apologies for the double up. What's the spawn to bulk process. Or is there a specific tek you follow. I wanna do 50/50 cow manure/coir. Can you do pseudo casings with pans, I know that's how I grew my old TTBVI'S however, I always had lack luster fruit.



If your jars look suspect to you, do 1:2+ cover your grains with a little substrate, no top layer/pseudo casing. I have never used cow manure myself, I always use cow manure compost. With cow manure compost I don't go over 30%, I have tried 50%, but that just made my fruits look weird. I don't know for sure, but there could be a lot more nutrients in cow manure compost then it is in field aged cow manure and then 50/50 cow manure/coir could be fine, look around or wait for others who have used cow manure to answer to be sure.

For substrate, the easiest is just 70/30 coir/cow manure compost, it works great and hasn't let me down yet. Get it to field capacity and pasteurize for 2 hours after reaching a core temperature of 65°C. That will take some time if you want to make sure you're not partially sterilizing the substrate.

I have a lot of chopped straw, so now I prefer 30/30/30/10, coir/straw/cow manure compost/vermiculite for my substrate. It colonizes a little faster and it evaporates better, but it's more work and yield is not better, morphology usually is though if you care about that.

I apply casing when the substrate is 100% colonized. The most used casing is probably peat, Tree Frog has a write-up on it you could check out.

I can't get peat, so I'm doing 50/40/10 coir/cactus soil/vermiculite, and then I adjust pH with calcium hydroxide 1g per 1L casing.

el boso said:
Edit: I read over Babas manure tea pasteurisation method, and Tree Frogs pest casing method - should I follow those two?

My brain is telling me this is the method I should follow, please correct me if I'm wrong

Step 1 - make 50/50 cpoo/coir substrate @ FC (Baba Yaga's pastursation tek)
Step 2 - s2b using my spawn and the substrate @ 1:2 ratio
Step 3 - put in shoeboxes, compress, place lid on and allow to colonize until surface is 100% colonised with myc
Step 4 - once fully colonised case and place in dreamer tub (Tree Frog casing method)



This sounds like a good plan, a couple of things, be sure to make the manure water first and use that to get your coir to field capacity. Second, you can compress the substrate lightly and even put some uumph along the edges and corners to minimize side pins, but I wouldn't compress it like I do with cubes.

Lastly, Tree Frog has been keeping the trays in colonization a couple of days after casing to allow some of the casing to be colonized before introduced to fruiting conditions, I have done both, but not enough to say if it makes a significant difference.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Awesome!

I have an instant pot that I can put on suis vide mode @65C for 2hrs instead of the cpoo tea method. If so would I just put the manure + coir in jars and then "cook" them for that time

I'll probably go 30/70 like you recommended and I have cow manure compost not cow manure sorry for the mistake


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: el boso]
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el boso said:
Awesome!

I have an instant pot that I can put on suis vide mode @65C for 2hrs instead of the cpoo tea method. If so would I just put the manure + coir in jars and then "cook" them for that time

I'll probably go 30/70 like you recommended and I have cow manure compost not cow manure sorry for the mistake



I see, well with cow manure compost 30% seems to be where I get the best results, and I would think that the cow manure compost is at field capacity out the bag so then just hydrated coir as usual and mix them 70/30. Then pasteurize, don't pasteurize just the cow manure compost, coir has plenty of nasties so make sure you mix first, then pasteurize.

And no problem using your insta pot, but you need to pasteurize for 2 hours AFTER the core of your substrate reaches 65°C. I use spawn bags and steam pasteurize substrate and casing. So I'll fill my bags, compress lightly and then put a temperature probe in the middle of the bag to monitor when the core hits 65°C, when it does I set a timer for 2 hours, or if it is late, just leave it until the next day.






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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Great! I'm gonna use my instant pot and measure temp of substrate and once it hits 65C I will set a timer for 2hrs. I will set my instant pot to 24hrs so it doesn't turn off.

I've had a problem once where I left it to 65c overnight and it smelled foul the next day, probably because the bags were sealed and there was zero air exchange.

Thanks for all the help I will see if I can get some going tommorow


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: el boso]
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el boso said:
Great! I'm gonna use my instant pot and measure temp of substrate and once it hits 65C I will set a timer for 2hrs. I will set my instant pot to 24hrs so it doesn't turn off.

I've had a problem once where I left it to 65c overnight and it smelled foul the next day, probably because the bags were sealed and there was zero air exchange.

Thanks for all the help I will see if I can get some going tommorrow



When I pasteurize I set the temp to 70°C and turn it back down to 65°C when the core is at 65°C. My bags have some air exchange, but it ain't much.

I haven't had a problem with anything going sour yet, but I am looking for something better then bags, because they're expensive(even though I use them several times) and because I would like to easily be able to stir in fresh air during pasteurization as well. I really like the metal container Mico Zapotec uses, but can't seem to find one where I live.

So what I'll try next will be 5L PP5 buckets with lids and pull them out several times during pasteurization to introduce fresh air. I have no clue if it'll change anything, but I want to get away from bags :muppet:

Looking forward to see how it pans out for you :rockon:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lostsoul1976]
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lostsoul1976 said:
Also I figured out you kno when they’re done when you can just push them over and they break off perfectly at sub level.



Really? I saw this lifehack for harvesting on mycophilia channel but didn't know that this is indicator of their maturity too. So if they are not ready and not mature they won't break that easy?

Edited by Pansun (08/29/25 10:06 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Pansun] * 5
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Pansun said:
lostsoul1976 said:
Also I figured out you kno when they’re done when you can just push them over and they break off perfectly at sub level.



Really? I saw this lifehack for harvesting on myvophilia channel but didn't know that this is indicator of their maturity too. So if they are not ready and not mature they won't break that easy?



Oh they'll break before they're ready :cryariver:



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Sorry for your loss. I would eat him right away

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Pansun said:
Sorry for your loss. I would eat him right away



Thanks man, but I'll think I'll leave him there for the others to get comfortable with what is coming for us all :uhoh: For them it'll come tomorrow :muppet:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 9
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some trbvi trays


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