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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Huskies] * 2
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tripdawg420 said:
think i need to grow something beside cubes :headbang3:


:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:

Huskies said:
Nice! I just munched on a fresh stem and definitely feel something but that ain’t for today.

Would you say they are 6-8% dry matter or even less?


5% or less.  Depends on how water logged the fruits are.

And you can dry them on low in less than 12 hours.  Unless you plan to eat them fresh, I would still dehydrate.  Half a gram is a decent dose for me (135 lbs).  0.88 if I want to lay in bed in the dark for a few hours.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 14
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Kicking the fogger up a bit but they look pretty happy.

Even have a small pin on another cap.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tripdawg420 said:
think i need to grow something beside cubes :headbang3:


:headbang3:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29228353#29228353

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: stagger] * 6
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Are ppl using clones with bisporus?  I had a thought.  I recently germed some bispo and it was crazy.. some of the most prolific easy germination I’ve seen with any species actually.  And it all looks like fruiting myc by pan standards..


But what if it’s not.  What if there’s a shit ton of vegetative sub strains that look like fruiting mycelium?  There’s definitely some nice full bispo grows but more look more sparse than other pans.  I feel like it’s not a fruiting conditions issue because in those sparse tubs, they look healthy and happy when they grow so it seems like it can’t just be the FC’s in that one area are better than the non fruiting areas.  Maybe they just need to be cloned to get full flushes and weed out those non fruiting subs?  Idk, just spitballin

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 3
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Bispo is definitely one of the pans I think can benefit from cloning, pretty much all my fuller grows have been clones at least. Interestingly though Bispo adjacent species like the mystery sa has consistently performed worse with clones. Bispo is a funky one. Makes ya think, most clones seem to perform well enough as well, seen some degrade over extended periods of time though. Have stopped keeping clones of them around for longer than a season at least.

Edit: I don’t want to discount conditions either though considering and experience of sharing a clone that consistently produced dense flushes for me with a friend. Same clone produced like three fruits for him. For all intents and purposes as well I was using an unmodded tote and him a dialed tent. Makes me wonder.

Edited by kirkeng (06/12/25 11:09 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] * 2
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Could it be that the more domesticated variety loves cloning more?
People have been growing bisporus indoors for decades, but Mystery SA was collected in the wild not very long ago.
Or is it more likely due to genetic preference?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra] * 1
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I have tried several pans in several outdoor settings. My ambient temps didn't do the thing and PHV and cyan at ambient died off within the month, after starting great.

The bispo on the other hand kept a low profile for more than a month, and starts fruiting now. Made me wonder if maybe their life cycle is just longer / they can wait to fruit without degenerating very fast?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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Question for the people using JCM and Dreamer setups. You guys just keep RH as high as possible from pinning to harvest?

I have a GH and when keeping RH around 90% to encourage evaporation I have to mist in the morning, after work and before bed to keep the casing glistening.

Got this from Asuras write up. After pinning he brings up the RH a bit he says. Wanted to follow this but don't want to be misting that much and will be gone for 32 hours.

Guess as long as you got some evaporation it doesn't matter if I keep the RH at 90 or closer to 95%, right?:takingnotes:

My 6 trays are on day 5 after casing. Haven't grown anything in about 4 years so overly excited to hopefully get some fruit

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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My Bisporus aren't fruiting, what a shame. My TTVBI shoeboxes fruited without any issues—I didn’t even have time to add casing. The only problem is that they’re very thin and don’t drop spores... I can’t make prints, and it’s such a shame to lose the only Pans strain that grows easily. Since I can’t get prints, I thought of at least cloning (I put a mushroom in BRF jars), and they’re colonizing well!
Why are they growing so thin, tall, and not dropping spores? I think it’s due to the shoebox conditions. Do you think they might need more FAE? I'm afraid they might not have enough relative humidity if I increase FAE. What's the best way to balance it? :sun:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
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Puduwoke said:
Question for the people using JCM and Dreamer setups. You guys just keep RH as high as possible from pinning to harvest?



You want fluctuations to encourage evaporation.  Like, humidity over 88% is when most of the condensation happens.  And under 80% is when most evaporation happens.

My dreamer is still being dialed in, but rather than monitoring the rH directly, I'm running the exhaust fan on one of the lower settings (3 out of 10).  It's always on.  Then the fogger runs on high, for 2 minutes.  And then stays off for 10 minutes.

The idea is, heavy fog to condense moisture on the fruits.  And then, a drying off period to evaporate off all that moisture.

@WhiteDemon, dreamer tubs are probably the easiest way to balance it.  But tents are a lot roomier.  Otherwise, there's a lot of good advice in the pans in monos thread for running non-automated setups.


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I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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So I ended up with 1.7g of dry pans.

My cube dose is quite high. I'll usually make tea from 14-18g of cubes. Am I wrong to think that if I take all these pans they will be quite mild?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 7
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13 hours later.  Guess I need to prep some foil.




Also, got tired of seeing this odd growth so took a chance and ran it.  Faster on grain than the more organized growth on the right.



The tray above is the odd growth.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
So I ended up with 1.7g of dry pans.

My cube dose is quite high. I'll usually make tea from 14-18g of cubes. Am I wrong to think that if I take all these pans they will be quite mild?


I don't know how strong your cubes are, or when the last time you dosed was. I can't say if they will be mild or not. I know a couple of folks that hang out in this thread take massive doses of pans compared to just about everybody else that hangs out here.

But I also don't think many of us are eating a half ounce of cubes at a time. I assume that's dry weight?

For reference, cubes range from about 0.5% to 2% of dry weight.  Pans 2% - 4%.  From lab tests I've seen.  There's oddities, occasional 3% cubes and 5% pans (stuff like enigma and the rare ttbvi that runs higher than 4%, which is more typical for ttbvi).


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (06/13/25 07:49 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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I usually only dose every 1-2 weeks, but I've gone as long as 3 months without my tolerance changing.

I can't say how strong my cubes are. I have noticed that 9 grams of Ochras plus 9 grams of cubes with citric acid is quite strong.

I guess there's only one way to find out lol


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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You can always do a booster of cubes or ochras if the pans don't hit you hard enough


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dala] * 5
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1.7 grams of pans with a boost of 14-18 grams of cubes? I’m going to open some jars and make piles of mushrooms to see what that looks like.
Dear Lord, I’d never be seen again.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: WhiteDemon] * 2
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WhiteDemon said:
My Bisporus aren't fruiting, what a shame. My TTVBI shoeboxes fruited without any issues—I didn’t even have time to add casing. The only problem is that they’re very thin and don’t drop spores... I can’t make prints, and it’s such a shame to lose the only Pans strain that grows easily. Since I can’t get prints, I thought of at least cloning (I put a mushroom in BRF jars), and they’re colonizing well!
Why are they growing so thin, tall, and not dropping spores? I think it’s due to the shoebox conditions. Do you think they might need more FAE? I'm afraid they might not have enough relative humidity if I increase FAE. What's the best way to balance it? :sun:


Can only speak from my experience but I’ve been growing the same few wild clones for 2 seasons now and in summer they’re chunky and dump spores but once the temps drop they get hella skinny, the caps don’t really open and they no longer drop spores, also seen similar from others grows I’ve shared the cultures with, what are your average temps at the moment?
Keeping in mind there’s likely other factors at play.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: The Tao] * 2
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This was my largest dose. 11g each of Ochras and pesh. It went too far. 9 of each is fun. It's a fine line lol



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 4
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The mice destroyed every flowerpot grow on my balcony, even the woodlovers. From now on I'll only do outdoor grows near the house in closed containers.
The bispo today:





Hoping a few mature so that I can clone them.
Edit: contemplated cloning one of the loose pins lying around, but they're too small.


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Species grown so far

Edited by Churpee Choozle (06/13/25 09:47 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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FWIW I've checked every image on this page, and the metadata (EXIF) has been destroyed.  This is good.  Otherwise, depending on how you have the settings in your camera app, metadata could give your name, type of phone, its settings, lat/long, etc.    It seems that the forum is protecting ppl.  Do not use 3rd party sites to upload images.


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