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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413] * 1
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Timestop413 said:
kirkeng said:
Tea tree pans, forgive the splotching on some caps :lol:




They look kinda cute though, pretty happy with the first run all things considered. Can’t smell a damn thing right now on account of the wildfires but I’m sure they smell delectable.



I'm curious, what leads to them all growing to different heights like this? Just it being MS or possibly airflow or water?

And do you know if using a bit of a thicker casing layer, like 1/4-1/2 inch helps with more even growth?  I just notice parts of my trays, the mushrooms will take off growing faster than other areas and end up taller but the caps will open sometimes at the same time and other times, areas of a tray are done fruiting will another side will still have a day or two or more left.


I tend to chalk it up to genetics, of course environment will play a role as well though in my case I’m growing in tubs and getting a perfectly even environment across the whole tub is more work than it’s worth for me. Hence chalking it to genetics as that’s something more easily controlled.

That being said even in good genetics stragglers and and unevenness persist albeit a tighter grouping, so as stated environment surely plays a role.

I notice no perceived benefit from a thicker casing personally, admittedly I’ve not a large sample size, I’ve ran em thick maybe a couple to a few times and didn’t notice better performance so I keep it thin so as to stretch my casing further, I don’t like making it so much so the less I gotta do that the better for me. Your results may differ though so no harm in seeing what works for you.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] * 10
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This was my most even pinset from likely the same species with a 1/4" casing.  MS.

Thicker than 1/4" tends to produce more side pins.  I think the tray type and fruiting chamber affects where the sweet spot is.  Like, the more exposed the surface, the more they benefit from a 1/4" vs a very thin casing.  And trays with deeper lips retain a lot more humidity, so the thicker casing causes stalls.

Deep lip, thin casing.



No lip, 1/4" casing.



And variable maturation demonstrates more genetic diversity in the tray as well as uneven environmental conditions.  Like most things, it's nurture and nature.  We control the factors we can.

That was meant to reply to timestop btw.


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With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 8
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TTBVI in the monotub. I love how fast, beautiful and resilient they are.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra] * 6
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also will make you trip bawlz btw :thumbup:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Bra]
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Bra said:
TTBVI in the monotub. I love how fast, beautiful and resilient they are.



Is this where you case and introduce FAE, or do you let it run for a litte longer?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MycCycle] * 1
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To early. Give it a day or two more at least.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke] * 3
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Hey guys, for the first (I think) time, my Bisporus culture actually died. I've had it on a petri dish, not even that long - didn't go dry or anything. But after transfers nothing woke up. Zero. It's been 2 weeks.

Has this happened to anyone else? I might still be able to revive some from the cryovial storage but this event sucks balls just when the outdoor Pan season is here. Let's hope the mycelium I've spawned outdoors survived at least.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 7
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My dubbed water tub is a bit of a delicate setup. I’m not sure if you can see from the pics, but these have some “fuzzy feet” from lack of FAE. They’re also a lot shorter than pans should be, but there’s still plenty here for multiple doses. Balancing giving them enough air or too much air when you’re creating the climate in a clamshell is a little challenging. These were not misted at all

Basically, if you have a very simple setup like me and want to grow pans in a small footprint, you can still eke some out in this sub-optimal tub configuration.

I don’t think these will get much larger. Is that a correct assumption?



It probably has done them no favors to have been grown from a streak plate. Could be genes.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
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Not much larger.  I usually harvest when they start dropping spores.  If they won't drop spores, when the stipes start bruising (aborting).


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 2
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Adas said:
Hey guys, for the first (I think) time, my Bisporus culture actually died. I've had it on a petri dish, not even that long - didn't go dry or anything. But after transfers nothing woke up. Zero. It's been 2 weeks.

Has this happened to anyone else? I might still be able to revive some from the cryovial storage but this event sucks balls just when the outdoor Pan season is here. Let's hope the mycelium I've spawned outdoors survived at least.


I've never left them on the plate long term.  But I did revive some older than one year pans from cryovial over the fall.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
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I tried something different. The last two AIO jars I spawned grew a single mushroom, but didn't contaminate.

I had another 6 AIO jars that were inoculated from the same Agar plate. This time I treated them like spawn and mixed them with coir. I made two trays out of straight coir, and another two from Manure Water Coir. They seem to be recovering after only 48 hours. I'm at work now, but I'll post pictures the next time I'm home.

I have some fresh spores that I just did a T1 with that I intend to inoculate straight grain with and try a more traditional method, but since the AIO jars didn't fruit that well I decided to try coir and see what happens.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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Has anyone grown pans with a simple verm casing before? Is that an option?


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Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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I'm revisiting pans soon and have the same question :awesomenod:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dala]
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Next run I want to do probably 4 or so tubs. I’ll try out a couple if it could possibly work


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A Love Letter to New Growers
The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

:kodama:


Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Smellyhobbit said:
Has anyone grown pans with a simple verm casing before? Is that an option?


I tried with mystery sa and it stalled badly.  I imagine a very thin verm casing might work, though. 

If I was going the no prep route, I would probably just get jiffy mix or use cactus soil.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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I case mine with cactus soil but I still treat with lime and pasteurize. Do I not have to do that?

My verm casings are with fine grade and a “single layer.” Been working for other species 🤷‍♂️

Pans are delicate babies


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A Love Letter to New Growers
The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

:kodama:


Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 3
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Pans generally are cased very thin (not even a single layer, but some sub still visible).  Single layer verm stalled out.

Cactus soil is probably pasteurized before you open it, like jiffy mix.  It's going to depend on the brand, though.

Probably doesn't need lime.  Most are pH adjusted (probably says on the package, see if it has any calcium in it).


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
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With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
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Well I just went to Home Depot and grabbed a bag of jiffy mix so I’m gonna give that a shot too :cheers:


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A Love Letter to New Growers
The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

:kodama:


Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 8
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Pasteurized, pH adjusted 50/50 cactus soil/verm gave me okay results, pasteurized, pH adjusted 100% cactus soil took a lot longer to pin, few fruits first flush, but a pretty good second flush. 100% coir casing also gave okay results. My best results I got with pasteurized pH adjusted 50/40/10 coir/cactus soil/verm.




It's the only two trays I've done with that casing so not much to go by, but I just spawned TTBVI to 8 new trays yesterday and will use the same casing on them and report back.

I think the most important part about a casing is creating a constant, oxygen rich and humid microclimate a few mm above the colonized substrate. Cactus soil alone got to compact for my taste and I have a hard time keeping track of the moisture content with a verm only casing and that is probably why I can't seem to get it right.

Just verm(semps)


50/50 cactus soil/verm


The little experience I have with casing is that I get best results when I pasteurize it, pH adjust it, keep it aerated, be as careful as possible when applying it not to compress it, even depth, leveled and humid but not soggy.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Good feedback peeps

I still have tons of peat, verm, and pickling lime, so I imagine I will once again prep 50/50+ using Roscoe's dehydrator tek for me future pans.

Still, I love hearing about what y'all are doing :rockon:


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