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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: PhenoDreamers]
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I'll try to get better ones when I do a transfer in my SAB with the lids off.

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: Bigworm] * 1
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Bottom one looks good to me. They have a few distinct morphologies on plates. Still not sure which is most desirable, but it at least looks promising to me from here


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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: Bigworm] * 5
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Bigworm said:
Ok I think I got good myc. It's hard for me to get clean pics because I use holy grail plates that are hazy to begin with.






This my first go at gymns so I'm still guessing my way through. These are the plates I used for my current AIO jar project. Nothing has gone fugly yet. 😆

gymnopilus luteus
Bottom backlit view.






Open top view.






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Edited by Scemilope (04/14/25 05:25 PM)

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: Scemilope] * 2
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FWIW, I recently remembered that Thorn et al. had described morphology in culture (on modified Leonian's agar, which is maltose/malt extract based) for 5 Gymnopilus species including G. luteus and G subspectabilis in their 2020 paper: https://utoronto.scholaris.ca/server/api/core/bitstreams/e9d7fd3d-2d41-4ce4-988b-c447d23727ec/content

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: Lignicolous] * 5
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no one:

mfs in this thread:

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: PhenoDreamers]
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SupaThaRipper said:
A casing is like a really hot slutty chick that you're trying to fight off because for some weird reason you decided to become celibate. Deep down inside, you know you need it.

Also, Walmart has jiffy mix in stores right now. Just picked up about 50 quarts for 20 bucks or so



OK, so in the year 2025, what function do we believe casings perform in general, and why should one consider casing Gymnopilus species specifically? I understand that empirical results show that casings can help in certain situations, but they still don't entirely make sense to me.

At the moment, my best guess is that the utility of casing layers is based almost entirely on water potential. A lot of folks seem to use pasteurized buffered peat for casings. Although coir and peat can both be hydrated to similar levels (they have similar field capacities), peat seems to be slightly better at retaining moisture, i.e. the matric potential drops more rapidly as it dries out. This would serve to slow evaporative loss from a coir based substrate and alter the water potential gradient between the substrate and surrounding air. Vermiculite holds on to water more tightly than either coir or peat, so the addition of vermiculite to a casing layer, which appears to be a common practice, should serve to increase this effect.

The only other factors I can think of are pH and osmotic potential. Peat is acidic and requires buffering, therefore people usually pay attention to pH when using peat, whereas coir is generally regarded as being within an acceptable pH range. pH mostly affects nutrient uptake though, and I find it hard to believe that it is actually a limiting factor or that it could be materially altered by a thin casing layer. It might be possible for coir to have salt levels high enough to affect osmosis, so this could be a factor, but it also strikes me as pretty unlikely.

Sorry if this topic is out of scope for this thread, I guess I'm just having trouble seeing the really hot slutty chick in this instance.

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Smellyhobbit said:
I would love some of those pomegranate colored fruits that you see. That would be special



Just a hunch, but I'm guessing the pigmentation of some Gyms is the result of anthocyanins, which can change color based on pH. Might be fun to play around with the pH of the substrate and see if it influences the color of the mushrooms at all.

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: Lignicolous]
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😂 still a hot slutty chick.

But in all serious I think the most use out of casing is the moisture cushion, as you suspected. It can stop a substrate from getting too wet or too dry. It's like a happy medium and gives you time to adjust your parameters.

Vermiculite in a casing... Ehh maybe. I've used 100% vermiculite casings as well plenty of times before. Some species, like Section Zapotecorum seem to thrive on it while others, like in the Panaeolus genus did not seem to like it one bit. I don't know the science behind it though.

At the end of the day, I've experimented a lot with and without casings and have gone back and forth several times. At the moment, I think it's best to case.

What's funny though, is I had that super dense pinset on my aeruginosus uncased. Did well for a bit and then I murdered the grow. Mass aborts. Trimmed it all back and decided to case it for a second attempt. The flush coming in is pathetic now and getting aborts again.

Truth is, I'm stumped and this may have not a damn thing to do with a casing at all. I'll just keep trying different things. 🤔

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: Lignicolous] * 1
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Lignicolous said:
SupaThaRipper said:
A casing is like a really hot slutty chick that you're trying to fight off because for some weird reason you decided to become celibate. Deep down inside, you know you need it.

Also, Walmart has jiffy mix in stores right now. Just picked up about 50 quarts for 20 bucks or so



OK, so in the year 2025, what function do we believe casings perform in general, and why should one consider casing Gymnopilus species specifically? I understand that empirical results show that casings can help in certain situations, but they still don't entirely make sense to me.

At the moment, my best guess is that the utility of casing layers is based almost entirely on water potential. A lot of folks seem to use pasteurized buffered peat for casings. Although coir and peat can both be hydrated to similar levels (they have similar field capacities), peat seems to be slightly better at retaining moisture, i.e. the matric potential drops more rapidly as it dries out. This would serve to slow evaporative loss from a coir based substrate and alter the water potential gradient between the substrate and surrounding air. Vermiculite holds on to water more tightly than either coir or peat, so the addition of vermiculite to a casing layer, which appears to be a common practice, should serve to increase this effect.

The only other factors I can think of are pH and osmotic potential. Peat is acidic and requires buffering, therefore people usually pay attention to pH when using peat, whereas coir is generally regarded as being within an acceptable pH range. pH mostly affects nutrient uptake though, and I find it hard to believe that it is actually a limiting factor or that it could be materially altered by a thin casing layer. It might be possible for coir to have salt levels high enough to affect osmosis, so this could be a factor, but it also strikes me as pretty unlikely.

Sorry if this topic is out of scope for this thread, I guess I'm just having trouble seeing the really hot slutty chick in this instance.



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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: Mr Piggy] * 9
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Gymnopilus luteus germination plate, about 6 days of growth:


These spores took about 26 days to germinate.

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: Dkeppel]
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str8 2 grains NOAW


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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: Dkeppel]
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What can't you cultivate


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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: el boso] * 3
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It seems I finally have germination on a plate from 02-22. Still too early for clear pics, but mycelium at least. Saw it when I wanted to throw it out. Could also be tremendously slow mold.


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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 3
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Chances of it being mold this late are unlikely unless your pouring game isn't up to par

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: PhenoDreamers] * 4
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I have never seen a slow mold :shrug:


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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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That too

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: PhenoDreamers] * 10
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Fuckin awful photo unfortunately,  but my luteus subs are forming little clusters of yellowish primordia after a month + of fruiting.  The subs that got cold shocked are like a few days to a week behind,  but the three that stayed indoors are all knotting.  We'll see how far I can take them before I screw the pooch:rolleyes:

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: alaskappalachian] * 6
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Can I play?

Gymnopilus purpuratus in a pint jar of wood chips and HWFP mix. Inoculated with an agar wedge 1/27. Cased with peat/verm and dropped into my fruiting chamber 3/7. These are super tiny, and shitty phone pics I’ll fix later, but…



beautiful lavender pins everywhere! Let’s hope I can get them to mature. Another two jars are also in the FC, one uncased and one cased with verm. Neither are showing any signs of life.




Edited by RoscoeReturns (04/23/25 10:20 PM)

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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: RoscoeReturns] * 3
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Some better pin pics.






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Re: Gymnopilus cultivation [Re: RoscoeReturns] * 1
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:awedance:awesome job


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