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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: DarthCube910]
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Yup, heavy misting to replace water they pulled from the casing.

Love the morphology on the sand/verm by the way.

Do you remember what ratios you used and if you measured by volume or weight?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: DarthCube910] * 9
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My last two ttbvi grows alongside some MIB.

MIB had only a half pint of grain to like a pound of substrate , just wanted to fruit some (sparse fruits)

but there are two different phenos of TTBVI here. the great canopy is a 1:2 ratio . This tray kept fruiting for 8 flushes. not sure of the potency or if its worth it by the 8th flush


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jakevictory] * 15
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Spring cleaning in full swing!
I’m so tired lol


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 3
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Yes, I went with about 60/40 verm/sand by volume and pasteurize it in a mason jar. I used a bag that says premium play sand. It's what I had on hand, I had no idea if it would work. But I decided to try it since I've read people use cactus soil for casing.

Super excited to try these, I've never tried anything other than cubes.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: DarthCube910] * 3
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So tray #3 seems to be healthy. No sign of green yet, but no pins either.

It does seem to be colonizing the casing though.

I'm thinking of letting it go for another day or two and then sprinkling on some dry jiffy mix and misting it to hydrate. That way I can keep the layer real thin.

What do you think? Any other suggestions you can think of to induce pinning?

The other two trays developed green in less than a week. The only difference I can tell is that the jars for this tray sat for an extra week. Im guessing I jumped the gun too quickly and had I waited the other two trays might have not gone bad.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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Looks too dry


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Jakeoncid419 said:
Spring cleaning in full swing!
I’m so tired lol



:nicesmile::heart::heart:

ps,
Still wondering if pan jams are actual pan cyan jamaica, been reading some conflicting information and it gets so confusing it'd be easier for me to cross the niagara falls inside a barrel than dealing with taxonomy ugh :eek:


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Edited by astra (03/27/25 08:36 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 1
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Holy mackerel!  Got about 30 messages overnight and now i’m gonna grab those envelopes and get them ready. That’ll keep me busy for a bit lol  :heart::heart:

:manofapproval:




You have one more on the way...



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 2
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:


So tray #3 seems to be healthy. No sign of green yet, but no pins either.

It does seem to be colonizing the casing though.

I'm thinking of letting it go for another day or two and then sprinkling on some dry jiffy mix and misting it to hydrate. That way I can keep the layer real thin.

What do you think? Any other suggestions you can think of to induce pinning?

The other two trays developed green in less than a week. The only difference I can tell is that the jars for this tray sat for an extra week. Im guessing I jumped the gun too quickly and had I waited the other two trays might have not gone bad.


I'm sorry for asking but are you compressing the casing? If so, don't. Pan cyans (and any other pan species for that matter) hate it when you suffocate the mycelium. They love it airy and fluffy, also very easier for them to move and colonize the casing appropriately which should be mostly undernearth and barely peeking through it.

I haven't had any mold with pans at all (and i truly mean that) since i stopped pasteurizing (during the colder months) and went full time sterilization of both the substrate and the casing, i was still pasteurizing my winter substrates until about 3 years ago? Once you get used to the substrate pc runs, you're golden (providing your spawn is flawless and it is a must with sterile subs anyway).

Some people do the AIO jars and they have good results, AIO with pans has been a thing since the early 00's. The only tiny issue is that if a jar suddenly decides to go sideways, it'll take a minute or 2 before you notice and that can be disheartening. Maybe give sterilization a chance? See if shit improves (no pun intended). You know that when it comes to cult, its not over until you say its over and very few people call it quits, you remind me of myself when i was in my late 20s, resilient, relentless and very dedicated to this craft. The battle isn't over yet, you got this :heart::heart:



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra]
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I did not compress the casing. I hydrated jiffy mix and sprinkled it on. Because it was wet, it came out thick and clumpy. I did try to spread it out with my hand using light touch.

The aio jars were sterilized for 4 hours @ 18psi. My original line of thinking was that I was dealing with uncolonized manure and the mold came from using the jars before full colonization. They looked ready on the outside, but i did find darker clumps of manure thar appeared uncolonized after I had broken it up and put it in the tray. Although my uncolonized Theory doesn't hold up with you mixing spawn and substrate and open air now that I think about it. Maybe I'm dealing with improper sterilization. I did vent and do the usual thing so I'm not sure why that would be.

My next run that I'm working on now is grain jars and manure water/micro nutrients/coir in a bag. Both have been sterilized. You've definitely sold me on sterilizing my substrate.

I'm also in the process of drying my manure so I can better eliminate clumps. I have some mixed with verm (probably 1:1 of medium coarse verm), and the rest sitting in an open tote in a warm dry room. I'm also going to build a 1/8th inch screen to further separate the chunks. Once I have manure powder I'm going to go back to mixing it with coir directly.


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Edited by PuffM4gicDr4gon (03/27/25 09:48 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 2
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Yes, i do mix everything open air because my spawn is FLAWLESS. It has to be or else the grow will flop. With sterilized subs your spawn must be clean/perfect/axenic..you NEVER send sus looking/questionable spawn to sterile sub, the results will be catastrophic.

Keep in mind I use a dedicated small bucket (not the pail bucket i use for coir) when mixing the spawn and substrate well but quickly and never leaving the substrate bag open unnecessarily, a laundry wooden clip works like amish voodoo.
Have the trays ready (that means wiped with iso70) with their lids on until you're ready to unload.

One more thing, how big are the AIO jars you're using? My substrate bags are the typical (20"x10") 5 pounds (freedom units) worth of substrate in size and they get 2 hrs @ 18psi (15 minute venting as with everything). One substrate bag with its casing partner per cycle though.



ps,
I will admit i'm very meticulous how i prep everything, severely OCD. Otherwise i might as well sit by the window and wait till my body molds out.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 10
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Second set of MiB clone 1 trays coming in.  These had decent overlay.  I didn’t flip em this time but tried picking the overlay off.  The middle tray I picked the most off and is the slowest to flush out.  I think by taking the overlay myc, it snagged a lot of ready to pin myc as well and the left tray, I left the most overlay on and seems to be doing the best.  But I think whatever I don’t get this flush, I’ll get one the next so I expect that middle tray does the best on the second flush



These were also just coir and manure.. trying to see if I can eliminate straw since I always have extra cv from cube grows.  I get a better more even mix of spawn and sub with coir/manure too so if the results are close to straw/manure, I’m gonna stick with the coir.  Making 3 new trays of coir/manure with a second MiB clone tomorrow so I’m going make the adjustments and see if I can’t get a flush without overlay.  That should give a better idea of what the coir/manure can do.

Good news is that besides the little bacteria (probably from sitting in the chamber so long) the vac sealed pasteurizing seems to be doing a good job of cleaning the substrate up.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 2
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Depending on selected genetics and the particular variety the stroma can be quiet potent, i usually just leave it alone. This one time i was cherry picking and eventually ended up consuming 3 trays worth of stroma. Good times. :rofl:



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 1
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They're just standard quart jars. I use three per tray.

I believe my spawn is anexic. I haven't ever been able to get a clear picture of my agar plates for community scrutiny. My phone goes with me in the truck so it's been dropped in mud many times.

Part of the reason I'm going agar to grain this time is to judge the health of my agar. It's not a perfect judge, but at least it's something.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 1
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How long does it take from spores to the first signs of mycelium when you grow pans? My Cubensis mycelium showed signs after 5-7 days but my pan jars haven't shown a single sign of mycelium after 8 days.

I followed this Tek since that's what I can use at the moment. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12165374#12165374


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
I haven't ever been able to get a clear picture of my agar plates for community scrutiny. My phone goes with me in the truck so it's been dropped in mud many times.



This is precisely why i keep my custom built rig running GNU/Linux Debian just so i can take decent pictures for the sake of sharing the knowledge without taking 20 minutes typing one post plus i'm terrible at typing anything from my phone (bullshit iphone, bleh).



That being said, quart sized jars are not the issue for sure. Frankly, i don't think i've ever run my PC for 4 hours..hmmm I always pour 4 quarts of water though. The Presto Manual recommends 3 quarts but i'm used to 4 regardless of how many jars i'm PC'ing. Old habits die hard. Also Presto definitely knows whats up anyway. :rofl:



ps,
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 3
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:cryforme::oldman:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 2
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astra said:


:cryforme::oldman:




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra]
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got a bunch of clean jars that have been 100% colonized for a few days now.  planning on making hemp bags monday to fruit outside.

I'm also curious about experimenting but I only visit the lab every few days or so, where there's a thermostat and 70-80degree  temps.  I'm thinking of fruiting some indoors there, but I won't be there to mist but every few days.  I'm curious about astra's sterile sub, and if that would work well colonizing in xls bags, then opened for fruit development, maybe similar to faht's ziplock method.  could that do well with some neglect?  cyans &/or bispos.

I also have mini monos and would love to do that, would sterile sub work well with that method?

lastly, are temperatures good for me to plant outdoors in oregon now? 

how about up on the mountainside where it's always at least 10degrees colder, would they just wait for ideal temperatures?  when do you think they'd decide to fruit?
how about fruiting them in bags or tubs where i can watch them/mist them more, where it is unheated and much colder?(because the wood stove heat makes things too dry)  how would they do with cold temps in the 40s at night?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Generic] * 1
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Generic said:
 
could that do well with some neglect?  cyans &/or bispos.





neglect tek with pan cyans or bispos? you mean if they can be grown just like cubes?


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