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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: deadmandave]
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Thank you both!

I did have plans to do a 6-7 jar run over the weekend, so I'll set a jar aside for this sample and keep a log on it :takingnotes: I should also have enough bags/HWFP to follow up in a couple of weeks. I'll try to keep my expectations in check in the meanwhile, as excited as I may be :biggrin:

Given there's two plates, I may well keep one around for a while and see how it develops. Worst case, it'd be a plate to clean up for my next agar run regardless. Best case, maybe those color changes/weeping dave mentioned will become apparent!

Vis-a-vis sequestering, I thought I'd heard about it somewhere... it seems pretty handy to learn! :smile: Even if it weren't applicable here, I do have some germ plates that could possibly harbor bacteria, so I may well practice it when those are ready.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
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:hi:

I'm going to be stepping into gourmet, I'm commenting to save the thread. I'm planning on running some bags of HWFP and Straw, going to do some buckets for oysters and lions mane.

I also am going to attempt some beds for Wine Caps.

Any tips for a total gourmet beginner?

I assume the mycelium looks different etc.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Axman] * 2
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I'm still a noob compared to many around here. But what I can offer:

- Every species looks a little different on agar, but your instincts from Psilocybes should be pretty good. Mold still looks very distinct from any mushroom mycelium I've seen. Pleurotus species tend to fill a plate fast and grow a lot more aerial than you might expect. Some species change color on agar as they age - e.g. shiitake turns brown, pink oyster actually develops a pink hue. Lion's mane will pin before it even covers the plate (maybe not if you keep it in the dark, but I can't be bothered with sequestering plates).

- Oysters are a bitch to fruit without a humidified and ventilated space unless you happen to live somewhere humid. I am finally finishing up my first tent build, but before that, I hung a sheet of plastic over the front of a wire shelf, and frequently misted the slits in the bag (multiple times per day) until I got some nice clusters forming. Eventually I'd remove the sheet and continue misting all the damn time. (My house likes to sit around 35% RH, not ideal.) I never could get good lion's mane, looking forward to trying that (and so much more) in the tent.

- Hydrate substrate to 60-65% total composition of water by weight.

- Unsupplemented hardwood fuel pellets work with boiling water to hydrate (Lipa tek). You'll want a quart jar of spawn per 5 lb bag, except for shiitake which produces mutants at high spawn rates (one jar for two bags worked fine for me). You can inoculate in open air.

- Supplementing and sterilizing makes for larger mushrooms and overall more yield. Try like 20% bran. You'll want an FFU or flow hood IMO (though there are some SAB users who use bags, I found it way too awkward and error prone).

- Bottle culture is cool. Mix up supplemented substrate, fill jars with it, bore a hole with the handle of a wooden spoon to pour spawn into later, and sterilize. Takes longer to colonize since you can't mix the spawn throughout, but with some patience, you have colonized jars you can fruit like you would bags (or, for CO2 tolerant species, even in a tub). No plastic waste. Annoying to clean, though I recently got a bunch of straight walled PP jars I think will be a lot easier to deal with, assuming the large fruiting surface doesn't cause its own problems. If you have the Ziploc rounds, those are also pretty easy to clean, but they're not very sturdy IME.

- You can often get away with cheaper wood pellets (with some or all softwood) if the fuel pellets available to you are not actually hardwood. Currently trying some shiitake and blue oysters on some cheap pellets that are probably mostly fir. (Otherwise I resort to smoker pellets, which are 2.5x the price.)

Other than oyster and lion's mane, what do you want to grow?


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Edited by Phaethon (02/23/25 01:33 AM)

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Axman]
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Axman said:
:hi:

I'm going to be stepping into gourmet, I'm commenting to save the thread. I'm planning on running some bags of HWFP and Straw, going to do some buckets for oysters and lions mane.

I also am going to attempt some beds for Wine Caps.

Any tips for a total gourmet beginner?

I assume the mycelium looks different etc.


when i first got into growing mushrooms, i used buckets. i followed FreshCap's instructions here.  you can swap out the wood chips with pasteurized straw and it works.  for straw, i put it in a large pot and got it up close to boiling and left it there for 15 minutes if i recall correctly. then lets it dry on an old window screen for at least an hour, then cooled it down to around 110F before making up the bucket with layers of straw and grain spawn. 



Side Question:

Anyone out there using glass petri dishes know if they get damaged or scratched when cutting wedges? i am just beginning to play around with plates and want to avoid damaging my glass plates - they were expensive haha!


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Phaethon] * 1
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I'm planning on doing some wine cap beds as well and maybe Antler Reshi, I've previously done something similar to The 49th bucket tek with good results, I pulled over a pound of oysters and lions mane off of it.




This was a few years back and with a local mushroom farms pre colonized sawdust spawn. I just have all of the items and the skillset to try it on my own so I figured why not.

A FFU is on my list of things to get, just haven't purchased it yet.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Axman] * 1
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If you live in the US, I would grab one sooner rather than later.

Assuming you have the budget for it.

The two by two is like 300 on Amazon last time I looked.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
If you live in the US, I would grab one sooner rather than later.

Assuming you have the budget for it.

The two by two is like 300 on Amazon last time I looked.


I've been looking at that one yeah, and I will most likely go with it. Do you prefer the 2x2 or is it worth saving the money for a 2x4 model?


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Axman] * 2
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2x4 is amazing. can't imagine using anything smaller, but you have to have the space for it.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Axman] * 1
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Axman said:
tree frog said:
If you live in the US, I would grab one sooner rather than later.

Assuming you have the budget for it.

The two by two is like 300 on Amazon last time I looked.


I've been looking at that one yeah, and I will most likely go with it. Do you prefer the 2x2 or is it worth saving the money for a 2x4 model?


I would have gotten a 2x4 if the prices were what they are now.

At the time, I figured it would be more economical to get a second 2x2 if I wanted one in the future.

But last time I looked the 2x4s are 500 now, so that's not cheaper to get two of the 2*2s.  But they were well over a grand when I got my little one so. It made sense at the time.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Hey peeps! Any thoughts about how thick to lay down sawdust spawn for outdoor winecap beds? I’m planning on using hwfp in 3-T bags ( lipa tek). I was thinking 1 bag for 5 sq. Feet. Am I way off base here? Danke!


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Blopblop] * 1
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How much spawn in 3-t bags ?
3-5lbs...?

What are you spawning to?

chips, mulched with straw....

1lb spawn per 5sq/ft. MINIMUM
3-5lbs spawn is good

The more, the faster.


Sra is an aggressive colonizer

Edited by LewDoja (03/10/25 12:08 AM)

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: LewDoja]
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Not sure of the  weight. I’m planning on using Maple chips for the bed, debating straw.  Thanks for the info!


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Blopblop] * 1
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I'd do a Mix of straw and chips with mulch layer of straw

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: LewDoja] * 1
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Will do, thanks Dude!👍


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Blopblop]
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This is my first attempt at Pioppino. I've had this block in a mono with four 2.5" SFDs and have been misting twice a day. It's been consistently at 68°F. I was excited to see such a great pinset but they appear to be aborting.



Anyone knows what could be wrong?

Sub is sawdust LIPA-style


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: mycosispeon] * 1
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That block looks dry dry dry. I usually leave my pio bags sealed until I see pins, then I only cut the top off. I leave the rest of the bag on so the block stays moist. I’m also using a tent to keep the humidity up.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: RoscoeReturns] * 1
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Yes keep the bag on. When I see pins I cut only the top corners off the bag. They are sensitive to drops in humidity it seems

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: deadmandave]
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Thanks. I'll "flush" it then give it a brief soak. Then I'll re-wrap it and see if that helps. My tent is warmer and I thought pio prefers 65 and lower


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: mycosispeon] * 1
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mycosispeon said:
This is my first attempt at Pioppino. I've had this block in a mono with four 2.5" SFDs and have been misting twice a day. It's been consistently at 68°F. I was excited to see such a great pinset but they appear to be aborting.



Anyone knows what could be wrong?

Sub is sawdust LIPA-style


I'm having the opposite problem with my Pio's. I only got one giant mature fruit and it looks more like a King Bolete than what I'm used to seeing with these, but I have very limited experience with them.

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: bambus]
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i would skip the casing next time. let them pin in the bag and once pins are about 1/8"-1/4" tall cut the top off or just a couple inches from each corner for more airflow.

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