daz01 said:

Joh.Ke said:

daz01 said:

Do you live in a cave? Do you walk around with a spear hunting wild animals? No? In my personal opinion, it isn't natural and, so longer not necessary  if you live in a first world country with access to internet and clean plant based foods.
What nutrients in meat, dairy and eggs can't you get from plants? Cholesterol, saturated fat and trans fat are horrible for the body.

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I think if one eats a strict vegetarian diet, he will experience Vitamin B12 deficiency.

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B12 supplements are cheap. Plant based milks are fortified with B12. And furthermore, why is B12 in animal products? Farmers give animals a B12 supplement and that's why B12 is in animal products.

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Bardy said:

That’s interesting, but you’re not making the case that meat is unhealthy, you’re making the case that people don’t need to eat meat anymore if they put enough effort into excluding it from their diet in a healthy way.

Saying that eating meat is not natural is just dumb though. Of course it’s natural… but just because something is natural doesn’t mean it’s good.

Meat is healthy to eat as long as you eat a balanced diet.

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Studies dating back nearly a century noted a striking finding: If you take young, healthy people and split them up into two groups—half on a fat-rich diet and half on a carbohydrate-rich diet—we find that within just two days, glucose intolerance skyrockets in the fat group. The group that had been shoveling fat in ended up with twice the blood sugar. As the amount of fat in the diet goes up, so does one’s blood sugar. Why would eating fat lead to higher blood sugar levels? It would take scientists nearly seven decades to unravel this mystery, but it would end up holding the key to our current understanding of the cause of type 2 diabetes.

The reason athletes carb-load before a race is to build up the fuel supply within their muscles. We break down the starch into glucose in our digestive tract; it circulates as blood glucose (blood sugar) and is taken up by our muscles to be stored and burnt for energy.

Blood sugar, though, is like a vampire. It needs an invitation to come into our cells. That invitation is insulin. Insulin is the key that unlocks the door that lets glucose in the blood enter muscle cells. When insulin attaches to the insulin receptor on the cell, it activates an enzyme, which activates another enzyme, which activates two more enzymes, which finally activates glucose transport (as diagrammed in my video What Causes Insulin Resistance?).

What if there was no insulin? Blood sugar would be stuck in the bloodstream banging on the door to our muscles, unable to get inside. With nowhere to go, sugar levels in the blood would rise and rise. That’s what happens in type 1 diabetes: the cells in the pancreas that make insulin get destroyed, and without insulin, sugar in the blood can’t get out of the blood into the muscles, and so blood sugar rises. But there’s a second way we could end up with high blood sugar.

What if there’s enough insulin, but the insulin doesn’t work? The key is there, but something’s gummed up the lock. This is insulin resistance. Our muscle cells become resistant to the effect of insulin. What’s gumming up the locks on our muscle cells? What’s preventing insulin from letting glucose in? Tiny droplets of fat inside our muscle cells, so-called intramyocellular lipid.

Fat in the bloodstream can build up inside the muscle cells, creating toxic fatty breakdown products and free radicals that block the insulin signaling process. No matter how much insulin we have in our blood, it’s not able to sufficiently open the glucose gates, and blood sugar levels build up in the blood. And this can happen within three hours. One hit of fat can start causing insulin resistance, inhibiting blood sugar uptake after just 160 minutes.

This mechanism by which fat induces insulin resistance wasn’t known until fancy MRI techniques were developed to see what was happening inside people’s muscles as fat was infused into their bloodstream. That’s how we found that elevation of fat levels in the blood causes insulin resistance by inhibition of glucose transport into the muscles.

We can also do the opposite experiment. Lower the level of fat in people’s blood and the insulin resistance comes right down. If we clear the fat out of the blood, we also clear the sugar out. That explains the finding that on the high fat, ketogenic diet, insulin doesn’t work very well. Our bodies become insulin resistant. But as the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better—a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb, high-fat diet. We can decrease insulin resistance, however, by decreasing fat intake.

The effect is really dramatic–check out at least the end of my video What Causes Insulin Resistance? to see what happens as dietary fat intake drops.

The most concerning downside of low-carb diets, though, is heart health: Low Carb Diets and Coronary Blood Flow

This is the first of a 3-part series on the cause of type 2 diabetes, so as to better understand dietary interventions to prevent and treat the epidemic. In The Spillover Effect Links Obesity to Diabetes, I talk about how that fat can come either from our diet or excess fat stores, and then in Lipotoxicity: How Saturated Fat Raises Blood Sugar, I show how not all fats are equally to blame.

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Studies have shown that eating a diet rich in meat, dairy, and eggs produces significantly more greenhouse gases than eating a plant-based diet. The practice of frying bacon and deep frying pollutes the air with carcinogenic substances. Good ventilation is therefore recommended when frying food.

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Rumblefishtwist said:

Vegan propagandists are the worst.


Try working a non-privileged life of heavy industrial manual labor, where you exert power and burn thousands of calories, 12 hours a day.  You know, a lifestyle where your body is working and demanding real nutrition.

You are a total clown if you tell me kale and vegan tofu chili provides enough calories and testosterone-fueling building blocks to power anybody over real food like rare steak and eggs.

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Are you hard of hearing or what? Why does animals provide real nutrition? How in God name does eating animals provide more testosterone? The body produces enough endogenous cholesterol for hormones. You can get adequate micronutrients on a plant based diet

Hugh Jass said:

But I believe all people should have to go out and kill the species of animal that they are going to have to eat, gut it and eat it.Just once to appreciate the animal.

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Meat is far from healthy; it's horrible for the body.

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LikeMyc said:

Yes its good for you. One thing to watch out for is the fat, especially if you physically hold fat. That can build up in your arteries and cause a ton of issues.

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RJ Tubs 202 said:

LikeMyc said:

Yes its good for you. One thing to watch out for is the fat, especially if you physically hold fat. That can build up in your arteries and cause a ton of issues.

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Many people (such as Dr. Shawn Baker) have helped to educate folks and debunk a lot of the misinformation we've been told about saturated fat and cholesterol. Fat does not "clog your arteries" - that simple minded view has been debunked.

The idea that dietary fat causes obesity is false. I lost 25 pounds in 10 weeks when I switched from plant based to eating a high fat diet. See "Butter Makes Your Pant's Fall Off" for more info. Many people have lost hundreds of pounds by implementing a high fat diet.

I generally do not eat poultry because it is much too lean to fuel my metabolism.  If I eat chicken, I fortify it with fat, such as butter or pork fat.  I target getting about 70% of my calories from fat. I feel better than ever and my blood tests are great.  My brain loves being fueled by fat. The human brain is about 60% fat.   

For humans, red meat is the most nutrient dense food on the planet.  Our bodies are made of meat, and we digest meat very efficiently. The idea you need plant fiber to crap is silly. If you're constipated, increase your dietary fat.  The amount of feces I generate on a 80% animal based food plan is, I'd estimate, a 70% reduction from when I ate mostly plant based.  And I fart maybe one tiny fart every 2 days. I used to fart 5-10 times a day - big rippers.

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RJ Tubs 202 said:

During the last year I've spent at least 100 hours researching nutrition and exploring false claims and misinformation spread by the medical industrial complex.  There's a ton of information out there, if you look.  Most people are just sheep, and refuse to consider that much of what we've been taught is wrong. The 4 trillion dollar medical industry in the US produces the most unhealthy people on the planet.  You can discover why, if you want to.

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Well yeah, shits fucked. Why do you think we have a cheese vault in Missouri?

RJ Tubs 202 said:

During the last year I've spent at least 100 hours researching nutrition and exploring false claims and misinformation spread by the medical industrial complex.  There's a ton of information out there, if you look.  Most people are just sheep, and refuse to consider that much of what we've been taught is wrong. The 4 trillion dollar medical industry in the US produces the most unhealthy people on the planet.  You can discover why, if you want to.

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LikeMyc said:

It is well established that saturated fatty acids increase low-density lipoprotein cholesterol. LDL is a strong risk factor for cardiovascular disease.

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RJ Tubs 202 said:

During the last year I've spent at least 100 hours researching nutrition and exploring false claims and misinformation spread by the medical industrial complex.  There's a ton of information out there, if you look.  Most people are just sheep, and refuse to consider that much of what we've been taught is wrong. The 4 trillion dollar medical industry in the US produces the most unhealthy people on the planet.  You can discover why, if you want to.

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RJ Tubs 202 said:

During the last year I've spent at least 100 hours researching nutrition and exploring false claims and misinformation spread by the medical industrial complex.  There's a ton of information out there, if you look.  Most people are just sheep, and refuse to consider that much of what we've been taught is wrong. The 4 trillion dollar medical industry in the US produces the most unhealthy people on the planet.  You can discover why, if you want to.

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