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Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying)
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I did a Google search for this paper on shroomery and didn't get any hits. I didn't want to res an 8 month old post to get this info out there.

Basically it goes through the extracted concentrations of 5 important chemicals (psilocin, psilocybin, aeruginascin, norbaeocystin, and baeocystin) in regards to several storage conditions, processing conditions, and drying conditions.

Tldr is dry whole at the lowest temp possible in the dark. Best is 25c, but up to 100c is fine. Sharp drops in quality  with the 125 or 150c options.


Storage was tested with longway sliced samples. It was most efficient at 20c and dark. Powdered specimens stored better. The paper found lypophilization (freeze drying) was the worst option, but admitted this could be due to cutting the specimen prior to processing. But given you'd need to keep the shrooms frozen afterwards and the storage at any freezing temperatures showed 80% loss of actives, I don't see it as an acceptable avenue.

If you want easy graphs, all the graphs included in the paper are highly relevant and easy to read.

Sorry if this has been posted before... If it has feel free to delete this.


(this file is a pdf hosted on a government site)

https://www.oregon.gov/oha/ph/preventionwellness/documents/stability%20of%20psilocybin%20and%20analogs.pdf


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Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Kunta Kente]
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I’d like to read this but the link is broken.


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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Mycodemus]
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Indeed.


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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: vicepope] * 1
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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Dkeppel]
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Thanks!


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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Mycodemus] * 1
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I just don't believe the results in Figure 3 in this paper. One thing is that it looks like a high-school project (x axis scale, almost invisible yellow line), the other is that I have never experienced a 50% reduction in potency after 1 month. Figure 2 is more believable, with only a small reduction (from 1.5% to 1.3% psilocybin) after 3 months.


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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Bismillah] * 2
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:whathesaid:

it reads like badly planned and executed research.

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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
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Baba Yaga said:
:whathesaid:

it reads like badly planned and executed research.



All drug studies are generally badly at their methodology.  But hide it with big fancy words. That aren't peer reviewed. Then law makers base there policy on results on bad faith.


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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Baba Yaga]
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Baba Yaga said:
:whathesaid:

it reads like badly planned and executed research.



Agreed.  Their insistence that exposure to light during drying causes a loss in potency is laughable.
:out:


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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: vicepope] * 4
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Quote:
To verify which mushroom storage is most suitable for maintaining the tryptamine content, five fresh fruiting bodies of
P. cubensis (height of approximately 20 cm) were cut lengthwise into equivalent portions. Subsequently, these parts were stored under various conditions that are given in Table 1. The cultured mushrooms were then dried in the dark at room temperature. Approximately 10 dried fruiting bodies were homogeneously powdered using a mortar and pestle. The powder was divided into five different conditions according to Table 1.



so the whole study used 15 fruits, without any control for variation in potency. lol.


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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: bakedbeings]
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Beug and Bigwood wrote in 1981 that the most efficient way to maintain potency was to freeze-dry and store in the freezer, that samples retained potency up to 2 years later. Samples stored at room temp lost potency after a year.

Their results on changes in temperature were the opposite as well. Higher-temp extractions led to a total loss of psilocin and a partial loss of psilocybin.

Did I read this paper wrong???

Michael W. Beug; Jeremy Bigwood

Quantitative analysis of psilocybin and psilocin and psilocybe baecystis (singer and smith) by high-performance liquid chromatography and by thin-layer chromatography

DOI: 10.1016/s0021-9673(00)88741-5

https://sci-hub.ru/10.1016/s0021-9673%2800%2988741-5

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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: bakedbeings]
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Since we all know about the variability in potency between fruits, even among clones, I'm really surprised they didn't devise a control for that. :frown:

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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Thessaliad]
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Thessaliad said:
Their results on changes in temperature were the opposite as well. Higher-temp extractions led to a total loss of psilocin and a partial loss of psilocybin.




Please explain all of the gummies and other extracts people make here with little to no potency loss.


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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Kunta Kente]
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I came across this as well - seems like virtually the only study of its kind available.

With all the research recently and things like the hyphae cup, how is this not settled by now? I feel like something like storage should be answerable and knowable.

I know people have their anecdotal experience but I’d really expect something more thorough and definitive by now.


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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Mr Piggy] * 2
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My annecdotal experience is 7 year old, heat dried, powdered cubensis which were vacuum sealed in a glass jar and kept at room temperature. They were still kicking like potent cubes.

That shit is so easy. Keep em dry and ideally in a vacuum or inert atmosphere.

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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
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Experienced cultivators:  "This is garbage, here's years of experience to the contrary with easily replicable results."

Buncha noobs: "but what if, here's a shitty report, guess we'll never know."


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New to cultivation or the shroomery?  Observe the hitchhiker's guide

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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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I forget where but I just read an article about a research lab growing mushrooms for some psilocybin study, where they complained about growing a bunch of mold and how hard it was, and they said “there’s no textbook for growing magic mushrooms” lol. No one thought to do a 1 second search online to find this place I guess


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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Mycodemus] * 1
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Mycodemus said:
I forget where but I just read an article about a research lab growing mushrooms for some psilocybin study, where they complained about growing a bunch of mold and how hard it was, and they said “there’s no textbook for growing magic mushrooms” lol. No one thought to do a 1 second search online to find this place I guess



:batlol:


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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: bakedbeings]
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Found it hahaha

Quote:
Lead scientist Naomi Gerrard told 1News cultivating the mushrooms was a "humbling experience".

"Nobody has tried to do this before. We've grown a lot of mould along the way, but there is no textbook on how to do this."




Seriously though… is she from the past? Does she not know how to interweb, or go to a library? I honestly don’t get it. She must’ve gotten her lead scientist PhD at Uncy Ben’s Ye Olde University of Reddit


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Re: Scientific paper from Wiley on environmental effects with storage and drying (including freeze drying) [Re: Mycodemus] * 4
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disabled dropout with a spore print and a SAB:


scientist with a specialized facility and government funding:


forreal tho, they should hit up tubgirl. even she gets better flushes. those tubs looked tragic

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