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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ice Nine] * 2
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ive read that too but i think it was more fear based than anything else.

what do strongmen douche bags seem to fear the most? opinionated and educated women.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
It’s easy, we just throw our support behind a political candidate that can’t even win the primary in their own state, and then they’ll draft some legislation so gosh darn wonky that the opposition couldn’t possibly disagree with it.

A few excel spreadsheets later and bing bang boom, utopia.


I never said she was electable, simply I thought she would make a good president.  You guys here really assume some outlandish shit about other posters.  I see it all the time, you guys argue about what you think the other person said, not what they actually said.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Psilynut2 said:
I remember one of the main criticisms of Hillary was that she would start a war with Russia .


It was obviously never true, but one of the reasons Trump won is that he pitched himself as a dove. Hillary supported Iraq, which Trump pointed out as a failure, and oversaw the destruction of Libya. People know that foreign policy is basically on rails, even with ostensible “change” candidates like Obama, so the outsider allure of Trump carried weight.

Maybe Hillary wins and antagonizes Russia more over Crimea, and war kicks off sooner. But for all intents and purposes, we are now at war with Russia, so not an entirely unfounded claim.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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claim being the keyword.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy]
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I suspect it has a lot to do with his KGB background.  That is a reasonable suspicion to have Putin himself likely wages those type of influence campaigns many times in the past (and did so to support Trump).


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ice Nine] * 1
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i forgot where but i was reading about kgb tactics and the ways they would manipulate people during the cold war.

now you log on the interwebz and realize they never stopped and it has worked amazingly well in this country and even here:shrug:

the amount of water these people can get americans to carry for them is almost unbelievable. happening in plain sight and nobody seems to know what to do about it.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ice Nine]
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Ice9 said:
mushboy said:
i think the russians/putin were terrified of hilary:lol:


I have read that Putin despised Hillary, blamed her for fomenting rallies and opposition to him when she was secretary of state.


From everything I’ve read she consolidated power as SoS and was basically pushing Obama right in every conflict. If I was in America’s crosshairs, I wouldn’t want the rabidly pro-intervention lady as Commander in Chief either.

Ice9 said:
The Ecstatic said:
It’s easy, we just throw our support behind a political candidate that can’t even win the primary in their own state, and then they’ll draft some legislation so gosh darn wonky that the opposition couldn’t possibly disagree with it.

A few excel spreadsheets later and bing bang boom, utopia.


I never said she was electable, simply I thought she would make a good president.  You guys here really assume some outlandish shit about other posters.  I see it all the time, you guys argue about what you think the other person said, not what they actually said.


I have to, because nobody on this forum says what they actually think.

Either way, I’m not going to relitigate the Democratic primaries for the 1000th time here. But this idea that America is in the political reality it’s in because Bernie fans were too misogynistic and Trump-like is incredibly stupid. We are in the position we’re in because liberalism is fundamentally incapable of addressing the contradictions inherent to capitalism, especially when so much of our electoral process is dictated BY capital. And your typical Warren supporter wants to thread the needle between “we need to change things for the good” and “changing things for the good is impossible (and even possibly bad).” That’s why candidates like her cannot win. It’s why Biden has, despite a pretty successful first term, struggled to keep voters on his side.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
I have to, because nobody on this forum says what they actually think.



i think thats a stupid thing to say.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ice Nine] * 1
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mushboy said:
claim being the keyword.


Is it? Folks were wary of kicking off another war after two decades of dumb wars, and here we are, in that war, under a Democratic president.

Not too far off.



mushboy said:
i forgot where but i was reading about kgb tactics and the ways they would manipulate people during the cold war.

now you log on the interwebz and realize they never stopped and it has worked amazingly well in this country and even here:shrug:

the amount of water these people can get americans to carry for them is almost unbelievable. happening in plain sight and nobody seems to know what to do about it.


Ice9 said:
I suspect it has a lot to do with his KGB background.  That is a reasonable suspicion to have Putin himself likely wages those type of influence campaigns many times in the past (and did so to support Trump).



Yall act like the KGB invented propaganda lol.  Every nation on earth engages in these practices, you only think it’s a nefarious Russian invention to trick people into hating their own government because of decades of Cold War propaganda. Irony!


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Yall act like the KGB invented propaganda lol.!


no i said i read about a tactic used and how i can see the effects. just like you can see the effects of the cia in centeral/south america.

nobody said russia invented kompromat. ..wait:rolleyes:



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Edited by mushboy (06/19/24 12:29 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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Speaking of covert American government psyops in foreign countries..

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy] * 1
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mushboy said:
The Ecstatic said:
I have to, because nobody on this forum says what they actually think.



i think thats a stupid thing to say.


The people who’ve voiced unpopular opinions on this sub typically stop posting here, or get banned because they dial the personal attacks to 10 in an attempt to defend themselves.

Idk how many times I’ve asked people to describe their actual politics and nobody wants to. It’s just reddit now.

Putin bad.
China bad.
Hamas bad.
Communism bad.
Trump bad.

Democrats good
Ukraine good
NATO good


Underlying reasons why we’ve come to those conclusions? Who care.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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yah who fucking cares dude this is the shroomery not the UN:lol:

is this the only place you make such demands?

i would think by default everyone here would despise politics.

irl the only people who insist on being super serious with politics are always pushing an agenda.


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Edited by mushboy (06/19/24 12:33 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy] * 1
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mushboy said:
The Ecstatic said:
Yall act like the KGB invented propaganda lol.!


no i said i read about a tactic used and how i can see the effects. just like you can see the effects of the cia in centeral/south america.

nobody said russia invented kompromat. ..wait:rolleyes:




Perfect example of what I’m talking about here.

Act like Russia is tricking people in the west into … doing something, and when I say everyone does it, I get the token olive branch of “of course the CIA is also bad.”

There is no proportionality here. It’s just team sports.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 1
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Baby_Hitler said:
Speaking of covert American government psyops in foreign countries..

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/.


I made a thread about this and the only interest was some dude saying how crazy it was that the U.S. government is manipulating social media.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy] * 1
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mushboy said:
yah who fucking cares dude this is the shroomery not the UN:lol:

is this the only place you make such demands?

i would think by default everyone here would despise politics.

irl the only people who insist on being super serious with politics are always pushing an agenda.


Everyone here cares or they wouldn’t post here. I’m not asking people to post peer-reviewed studies I’m just trying to get people to say what they actually think, and perhaps even think about the reasons why they think that.

Yeah, it’s the shroomery. Pretty crazy that some of y’all’s politics are indiscernible from some lanyard wearing lawyer on K street. It’s also one of the few places that hasn’t been astroturfed to shit, so I’m confident I’m talking to an actual person and not some paid stooge on a military base in Langley or Moscow.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
I get the token olive branch of “of course the CIA is also bad.”



im not giving you an olive branch:lol: you made a unfounded claim, or even a lie, that i 'act' like the kgb invented propaganda.

please highlight where i said that or what actions i took to give you that conclusion. i wasnt even talking to you or about you.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy]
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hey i used to party in georgetown:rockon:

what do you think I think but im not saying?


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Edited by mushboy (06/19/24 12:44 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy] * 1
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mushboy said:
The Ecstatic said:
I get the token olive branch of “of course the CIA is also bad.”



im not giving you an olive branch:lol: you made a unfounded claim, or even a lie, that i 'act' like the kgb invented propaganda.

please highlight where i said that or what actions i took to give you that conclusion. i wasnt even talking to you or about you.


mushboy said:
i forgot where but i was reading about kgb tactics and the ways they would manipulate people during the cold war.

now you log on the interwebz and realize they never stopped and it has worked amazingly well in this country and even here:shrug:

the amount of water these people can get americans to carry for them is almost unbelievable. happening in plain sight and nobody seems to know what to do about it.


This comment is so vague I’m not even sure you know what you’re talking about.

Reading what? Where?
What tactics?
Manipulate how?
By what metric has it worked amazingly well?


The context here is that (some) Americans were concerned Hillary would start a war with Russia, given her support for (and starting of) previous wars. She was going off about Crimea back in 2014 and making allusions to Hitler.

Obviously, thinking Clinton would continue being a hawk is stupid, and the more salient explanation is that the Russians tricked us all into believing that. Or maybe you’re saying the Russians tricked us into not wanting to support Ukraine, idk you don’t use very many proper nouns.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy] * 2
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You have almost 4k posts in the “political subforum” but you “despise politics”

:hahthatscute:


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That’s not possible; even with computers

Edited by theRealrollforever (06/19/24 12:58 PM)

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