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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: PhenoDreamers]
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SupaThaRipper said:
We can talk about this all day. I have the results right in front of my face. Nobody said or assumed you were ignorant. Implying that i am based off just me disagreeing with you is saying that exact same thing as if you’re assuming im ignorant because you don’t agree with me. So chill out with that and stop getting all bent out of shape because i believe parts of your guide guide are bullshit. Once again, I did say I respected you. It doesn’t mean I’m going to just follow yours or anyone else advice blindly. Now that would be truly ignorant. There are plenty of reputable cultivators who, once again, don’t even use iso. Instead they’ll solely use h202. And yet, they’re vendors, vending so much product that it’s literally their only full time job. Yet that must be ignorant of them. Surely if their shit isn’t getting properly disinfected, they would be handing out a hell of a lot of contaminated cultures right? I don’t believe you’re ignorant beef but I sure as hell do believe the shroomery as whole can be. Especially when you TCs are afraid anyone steps out of line and challenges your beliefs. I gave you guys HARD facts and ways you can test them your damn selves easily, yet you’d rather sit there and just tell me I’m wrong.



also, please dont pigeonhole me with other tc's.  ive tried hard to remain open minded and flexible.  this thread is mine so i feel a certain sense of duty particularly in stipes absence.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
joze said:
H2O2 may effective for some people. But serious microbiology labs are way more likely to be using either isopropyl alcohol, a chlorine bleach solution, or another approved disinfectant.

70% isopropyl is all it takes for hobby-scale mycology.



  thats pretty much the nutshell friendo.  but ima let this pass because it seems less and less worth it and i respect sup and 3am too much to not at least acknowledge their experience.



Yeah, I'm not trying to poke the hornet's nest either. Ultimately, different TEKs work for different people. We should all be respectful of that. I always pasteurize my coir. Is it necessary? Probably not, but it works for me, so I stick with it.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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No hard feelings at all man and I’ll be sure not to do that. I’m sorry. It’s truly just in my nature to test things out myself (even if I fail a millions times) I find success and knowledge best through my own failures and I’ve never been one to just follow the instructions as they’re printed. I think we, as a species, learn the most when we challenge things! ❤️

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: joze] * 1
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people have different missions here:

"how best to cultivate" gets twisted with "how best to help people cultivate"

im of the latter where sup may be representing the former

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: PhenoDreamers]
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And now for something completely different.

Showering, brushing teeth, put on new clothing, etc.

A lot of growers say you should do it before working in a SAB.

I say it's not needed, because all of this doesn't make you sterile.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: PhenoDreamers]
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SupaThaRipper said:
No hard feelings at all man and I’ll be sure not to do that. I’m sorry. It’s truly just in my nature to test things out myself (even if I fail a millions times) I find success and knowledge best through my own failures and I’ve never been one to just follow the instructions as they’re printed. I think we, as a species, learn the most when we challenge things! ❤️



thanks man. im sorry too.  i really do respect your experience and i will fullly admit right now to using h202 to disinfect used tubs and have been tempted to use it as a surface disinfectant in a spray bottle but i stop myself not because of what i know, but in lieu of what i have seen, ans that is, that it just tends to form droplets on stainless surfaces due to its gravity and surface tension rather than coating like alcohol does. 

that is all.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Yahra] * 2
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Yahra said:
And now for something completely different.

Showering, brushing teeth, put on new clothing, etc.

A lot of growers say you should do it before working in a SAB.

I say it's not needed, because all this doesn't make you sterile.



Great topic.

Personally, I shower, put on clean clothes, and then wear a cloth face mask. You're right that it doesn't make you sterile, but it could reduce the amount of contaminants you're carrying/releasing. If you've been outside all day, you could be covered in pollen and dust and all that.

Does it matter? I don't really think so. If you're a microbiology researcher showing up at your lab to perform some work, you don't shower before you start working in your laminar flow hood.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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BeefSupremeJr said:
people have different missions here:

"how best to cultivate" gets twisted with "how best to help people cultivate"

im of the latter where sup may be representing the former



You do make a good point here

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Yahra] * 2
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Yahra said:
And now for something completely different.

Showering, brushing teeth, put on new clothing, etc.

A lot of growers say you should do it before working in a SAB.

I say it's not needed, because all of this doesn't make you sterile.



ok. first of all, as the presiding lord of post someone you consider HOT, i want you to know that i respect your specific taste.

Personally i think that good hygene couldnt hurt.

also, showering and associated hygene is part of my ritual.  clean clothing has always been something i consider but i want you to know that my last semp clones were done naked, directly out of the shower--wearing only gloves and mask-- and both plates are send-ably clean.  (see confessional thread) 

so yyyeaaaa.

Edited by BeefExtreme (02/26/24 05:58 PM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
thanks man. im sorry too.  i really do respect your experience and i will fullly admit right now to using h202 to disinfect used tubs and have been tempted to use it as a surface disinfectant in a spray bottle but i stop myself not because of what i know, but in lieu of what i have seen, ans that is, that it just tends to form droplets on stainless surfaces due to its gravity and surface tension rather than coating like alcohol does. 

that is all.



Yes, yes! Give into your deepest desires! 😈

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: PhenoDreamers]
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if it were mixed with just a bit of soap, id be more inclined to endorse.

Edited by BeefExtreme (02/26/24 06:01 PM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: PhenoDreamers] * 1
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SupaThaRipper said:
BeefSupremeJr said:
thanks man. im sorry too.  i really do respect your experience and i will fullly admit right now to using h202 to disinfect used tubs and have been tempted to use it as a surface disinfectant in a spray bottle but i stop myself not because of what i know, but in lieu of what i have seen, ans that is, that it just tends to form droplets on stainless surfaces due to its gravity and surface tension rather than coating like alcohol does. 

that is all.



Yes, yes! Give into your deepest desires! 😈



haha unfortunately my desires are of no consequence here.  Alas, my friend, i am but a servant of this humbling craft and my ardent intention is that of reliable information.

Edited by BeefExtreme (02/26/24 06:04 PM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
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All units be advised, I edited the original title and Post of this thread to freshen it up.  Ill do a better edit at some point from my pc.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Yahra] * 4
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Yahra said:
And now for something completely different.

Showering, brushing teeth, put on new clothing, etc.

A lot of growers say you should do it before working in a SAB.

I say it's not needed, because all of this doesn't make you sterile.



I think of it as necessary because it's part of my pre-transfer ritual. Gets my head in the game.

And I am definitely still paranoid about doing a bunch of back-end cult work like tossing contaminated subs, etc., and then running transfers in the same clothes. If I didn't establish a hard rule about showering and wearing fresh clothes, then eventually I'd just start getting sloppy.


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Edited by B Traven (02/26/24 06:34 PM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Yahra] * 1
    #28678102 -

Yahra said:
And now for something completely different.

Showering, brushing teeth, put on new clothing, etc.

A lot of growers say you should do it before working in a SAB.

I say it's not needed, because all of this doesn't make you sterile.



I am sure that having a shower and putting some clean clothes on, will reduce contaminants. I especially endorse wearing a mask, during SAB work, but gloves...I am not so sure. I did wear them during my first grow, now I am in the middle of my second and third (couldn't wait lol), and didn't use them, just washed my hands and sprayed them with iso. My thinking was that gloves could offer just a bit more of a protection. To be frank though, I am going to wear gloves from now on, no need to risk contamination because of something so simple, right?


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Skropi] * 2
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The trouble is knowing how much of a reduction you get. Sterility as we understand it involves exponential/logarithmic reduction in comtaminant load. That’s what we're going for with autoclaving and flame/induction coil sterilizing. My guess would be that taking a shower, wearing gloves, and wiping  things down with iso involves a much smaller reduction. And it's probably also more important as a counter-measure for bad sterile technique (as our motions become smoother and less compromising, it simply matters less what might be on our hands/arms/lids).

But again, that's just a guess. It would be very difficult to collect data that confirms or disproves it.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: B Traven] * 3
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as an abstractionist, i like to imagine extremes.  yeah, showering and wearing clean clothes may be negligible for some people but I have to imagine the extreme. I have punk friends who havent showered in months.  They work in the woods just sortof collecting contaminants and endospores.  When i give any kind of advice, Im thinking in extremes from me, a minimalist neat freak, to my punk friends. 

this is a good example of why redundant and over-kill techniques are considered conventional. 

remember, the goose and gander.

Edited by BeefExtreme (02/27/24 04:16 PM)

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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Also, be advised ive changed this thread title so lets update the re:  moving forward my friends.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
Im not sure if stipe is ever going to post again....



:hi:

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Skropi] * 1
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Skropi said:
Yahra said:
And now for something completely different.

Showering, brushing teeth, put on new clothing, etc.

A lot of growers say you should do it before working in a SAB.

I say it's not needed, because all of this doesn't make you sterile.



I am sure that having a shower and putting some clean clothes on, will reduce contaminants. I especially endorse wearing a mask, during SAB work, but gloves...I am not so sure. I did wear them during my first grow, now I am in the middle of my second and third (couldn't wait lol), and didn't use them, just washed my hands and sprayed them with iso. My thinking was that gloves could offer just a bit more of a protection. To be frank though, I am going to wear gloves from now on, no need to risk contamination because of something so simple, right?



Gloves, mask, headband to keep hair contained (I'm a hippie so hair is an issue).  Brush my teeth since breathing propels things.

No shower or clean clothes.  My laundry maybe clean but it's certainly not sanitary anyway, sitting in a pile on my floor or even in my dresser.

Gloves, even if I spray with iso.  My hands are closest to my work (much closer than my clothes or dirty balls for sure).  And apes shed skin constantly.

But yeah, a lot of this stuff is to minimize risks and the better our technique and the nicer our workspace, the less important it is.  On the other hand, it can give a false sense of security that can lead to sloppy technique.

I ditched the shower and clean clothes after watching professional growers work in front of flow hoods.

I would like a lab coat though.  If for no other reason than to feel like a mad scientist.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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