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OfflineBaby_Hitler
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Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri
    #2853258 - 07/03/04 05:19 AM (13 years, 28 days ago)

Republican senator loses to dead rival in Missouri

Jean Carnahan

November 8, 2000
Web posted at: 2:49 a.m. EST (0749 GMT)

(CNN) -- The late Gov. Mel Carnahan collected enough votes to beat out incumbent Republican Sen. John Ashcroft for the U.S. Senate seat from Missouri.

The incumbent Ashcroft was left running against a dead man after his opponent, the popular sitting governor, died in a plane crash on October 16. By that time, it was too late to remove Carnahan's name from the ballot.

No one had ever posthumously won election to the Senate, though voters on at least three occasions chose deceased candidates for the House.

Lt. Gov. Roger Wilson moved up to succeed Carnahan. Wilson said he would appoint Carnahan's widow, Jean, to the Senate seat should the deceased husband get more votes than Ashcroft.

Jean Carnahan said Tuesday night: "Abraham Lincoln never saw his nation made whole again. Susan B. Anthony never cast a vote. Martin Luther King Jr. never finished his mountaintop journey. My husband's journey has stopped short too, and for reasons we do not know or understand, the mantle has now fallen upon us. We remain heirs of a legacy."

"On this night I pledge to you -- rather let us pledge to each other -- we will never let the flame go out," she told supporters by speaker phone.

Ashcroft held the lead in polls until Carnahan's death threw the race into turmoil.

On election day, no one could predict how the sympathy factor would play at the polls. Jean Carnahan used ads to make emotional appeals for "the values and beliefs that Mel Carnahan wanted to take to the United States Senate."

Ashcroft was supported by two thirds of the voters who in exit polls said the federal budget surplus should be used to cut taxes. A majority of the voters who supported Carnahan said the surplus should go toward the national debt.

Republicans have vowed to fight Jean Carnahan's appointment on the grounds that a candidate must be an "inhabitant" of the state, a requirement a dead person can't fullfill. Her appointment must be approved by the Senate.

Both candidates were twice elected governor and had nine statewide victories among them.

The freshman Senator Ashcroft has a very conservative voting record. He favored term limits, was one of the first in the Senate to have his own web page, and was one of the first to say charges against Clinton might warrant impeachment.


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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2853373 - 07/03/04 06:51 AM (13 years, 28 days ago)

Very old news and of course the reason he lost was the sympathy factor .

was there some type of pont to your post?


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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2853375 - 07/03/04 07:01 AM (13 years, 28 days ago)

Not really.

I had considered that dying might have helped his opponent beat him. I just happened to come accross this on overgrow and thought it was interesting.

Seems like I remember this happening, but I'm not sure if I knew it was Ashcroft.


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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2853785 - 07/03/04 01:11 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

> Very old news and of course the reason he lost was the sympathy factor .

I was living in Missouri at the time, and based on my memory of that time I would say your statement is not true.


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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: Seuss]
    #2853793 - 07/03/04 01:15 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

Maybe, in fact, the reason that he lost was that he was disliked and untrusted.

Maybe.


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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2853816 - 07/03/04 01:25 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

That explains why he was poised to win and had 2/3 of the exit polls...right. Sorry, but the Democrat's character smearing team can't go back in time. John Ashcroft was very popular, even in the Senate until Bush nominated him and everyone instantly decided he was evil because of his religion.


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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2854190 - 07/03/04 04:27 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

funny, I was just talking about this the other day with
a business associate of mine from missouri, he, along
with a couple family members that have said similar things,
mentioned that Ashcroft has long been disliked in missouri
and that his loss, even considering the sway of sympathy,
is a running joke in the state...

maybe those exit polls were conducted at church.


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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2854400 - 07/03/04 06:02 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

He is an evil asshole you know. You can't really blame that on his religion though.


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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2860782 - 07/06/04 07:43 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

that is old news....moore covers it in f 9/11 though


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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2860840 - 07/06/04 08:35 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

i'm going to pile on, old news my man.

"This just in, Kennedy has been shot, I repeat Kennedy is dead" :shocked: :smirk:


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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2861224 - 07/06/04 01:01 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

KingOftheThing said:
that is old news....moore covers it in f 9/11 though




Jello Biafra was cracking jokes about this already...two years ago :wink:

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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2861566 - 07/06/04 03:59 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

To borrow an idea from Bill Hicks, I don't see anything wrong with bringing up Ashcroft's 2000 election loss to a dead man or JFK for that matter as long as leaders in this country still talk about Jesus.

Baby Hitler was quite aware that this story is "old news", but it's still relevant seeing as how Ashcroft is still a douchebag.





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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: Learyfan]
    #2861586 - 07/06/04 04:06 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Baby Hitler was quite aware that this story is "old news", but it's still relevant seeing as how Ashcroft is still a douchebag. 




I was just giving him a hard time Mr. Sensitivity...sheesh, do you need a hug? :hug:


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Re: Asshcroft lost to dead rival in Missouri [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2861698 - 07/06/04 04:38 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Actually yes. Thank you.





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