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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Stipe-n Cap said:
UV-C;
Peroxide;
Ozone;
Automated tubs;
The idea that manure substrates are beneficial for cubes;
The idea that higher nutrient content (ammendments/nootz) in substrate boosts performance/increases yield;
Sugar LC :facepalm3:

I'll edit with a few more after I'm done stuffing my pie hole.

Pasteurization of coir/verm;
Gypsum;
Fanning;
The idea that shroomery is jelous of noob stupidity :rofl:
The idea that spawn is somehow super pasteurized instead of sterilized;
Caramelized agar;
Low temps (160Β°F/71Β°C) negatively effects potency;
The distinction between fruiting conditions and spawning;
The use of Lysol;
Contaminated tubs destroying grow areas;
Bluing signifies potency;
Aborts are more potent than other fruit;
Soaking fully colonized grain spawn before spawning;
Wet grains cause bacteria (wet grains just exacerbate existing bacterial infection);
Coffee grounds or liquid coffee as an additive.




Some are duplicates from your existing list. I'm sure I can get some more with a bit of thought.







So it's not possible to caramelize agar by sterilizing it for too long or do you mean that caramelized agar is fine for colonization?

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
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ive struggled with agar sediments.  i'm hoping I have better luck at my new place with my new stove. I feel like my old stove was just too hot.  I tried following stipes instructions exactly and I still got sediments so if I fuck it up this next run I'm going to start subbing it out to a friend of the lactic variety


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
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but yea to answer your question, sediment-y plates work fine theyre just ugly.  im not sure if stipe is saying carmelizing agar is a myth.  im not sure what causes sediments. dont think its carmelizing its a coagulation i suspect. either way i hate pouring plates.


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Edited by BeefExtreme (09/21/23 10:48 AM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Blueberry Muffin] * 2
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Quote:
So it's not possible to caramelize agar by sterilizing it for too long or do you mean that caramelized agar is fine for colonization?



Our pressure cookers don't get hot enough to caramelize agar. It's not a thing.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Good to know

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
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there ya have it.  i suspect something was in the water at my last place.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
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... wait I still lysol the SAB before covering the holes and letting the SAB sit for 15 minutes, is that outdated now?


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Huskies]
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As someone around here recently said "it's not a clean-air-box, it's a still-air-box."

I don't think lysol is going to help that much.  If you're worried about long term buildup just wash it with soap and water every once in a while.  I rarely bother.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Kinoko314] * 1
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i sanitize mine with iso once in a blue moon. i do store it in a trash bag.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Once in a while I notice my SAB walls are a bit foggy. That’s when I spray and wipe both sides. With iso, because that’s the closest spray bottle.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: DharmaForKarma]
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bleach soaked towell on the floor of sab.  Seems bad to me frankly. Ive never once done such a thing and my contam rate with plates is almost zero.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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Still
Air
Box

A SAB works on the principle of isolating a volume of air from outside movement, and allowing the particulate matter present to settle out of suspension.

That should theoretically work just fine with no additional materials.

I use a spray bottle with ever-so-slightly soapy water, and mist the walls down. My understanding is that particles in the air will get caught by the spray and settle out, just like a good rain can improve the air quality. And that anything which comes in contact with the damp walls should stick to them and stay there. I know it's probably not 100% necessary, but that's where I'm at right now.

I used to use Lysol, iso, whatever. At best, it's an unnecessary step (you're sanitizing, not sterilizing), and more exposure to harmful chemicals. At worst, volatiles like iso (or even the chlorine in bleach) will create air movement as they evaporate.

Both SAB's and flow hoods operate on the basis of physics, not chemistry....


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: B Traven] * 1
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Hbo uses no iso.  no gloves.  just pounds out perfect plates raw dog style.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme] * 4
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using tents for cubes


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme] * 4
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Worrying about Co2 in your apartment


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Screwup] * 3
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Screwup said:
Worrying about Co2 in your apartment



we saw the same thread.  Yeah. that.  using co2 monitors in general.  people talkin house plants and nonsense. unless youre doing about 400 tubs in a 600 sq ft apt.  i wouldnt worry about it.  i can see stipes eye twitching now.


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Edited by BeefExtreme (10/14/23 09:19 AM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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Caps are stronger than stipes.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: DharmaForKarma] * 2
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:unite:

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 2
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Well, nothing is stronger than Stipe. Besides, Cap isn’t here anymore.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme] * 3
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Awesome thread!  Learning a lot about current best practices (was out of the growing game over the last eight years because of a prison bid...  for growing!  But obviously that hasn't deterred me!)

Nothing to add.  Just want to nit pick this out of context quote from the OP.


"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few.”

This is a favorite Zen quote about keeping an open mind.  Thinking we know things can blind us to new possibilities.

It's more about the noob thinking Uncle Ben's is great, and being closed minded about people on the shroomery telling them we're pulling ounces, when they're lucky to pull an eighth.


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