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Re: No science or proof behind ADHD as a biologic/organic syndrome or disease [Re: Silverwolf]
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I don't like the idea of ADD/ADHD, just filling a childs head with the thought that there is something inside there body that is "imbalanced" called ADD/ADHD turns them into a fucking robot. they are lead to believe from a young age that this acronym is a part of them. I've seen the way kids react on and off of there amphetamines in the public school systems. its a sad thing to see how hooked these kids are without thinking anything of it.

Difference, except everyone and every body

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Re: No science or proof behind ADHD as a biologic/organic syndrome or disease [Re: GreenAssHands]
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well for me i see adhd as the natural condition for life ever watch any non domesticated animals theyre ADD-ing the fuck out whats that sound is it a threat is that food running around having fun and what not. and i "have ADHD" (if it were real) so thats my thing i see.


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Re: No science or proof behind ADHD as a biologic/organic syndrome or disease [Re: GreenAssHands]
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phillipj said:
I don't like the idea of ADD/ADHD, just filling a childs head with the thought that there is something inside there body that is "imbalanced" called ADD/ADHD turns them into a fucking robot. they are lead to believe from a young age that this acronym is a part of them. I've seen the way kids react on and off of there amphetamines in the public school systems. its a sad thing to see how hooked these kids are without thinking anything of it.

Difference, except everyone and every body


that or, if they know they have it, they destroy things or are intentionally lazy because 9 times out of 10 they know they can get away with it by blaming it on their "condition"


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Re: No science or proof behind ADHD as a biologic/organic syndrome or disease [Re: demiu5]
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Im hearing from some people that some of what he said and the contacts he made were from all the way back in the mid-90's. Kinda outdated?


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Re: No science or proof behind ADHD as a biologic/organic syndrome or disease [Re: Spire]
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????

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Re: No science or proof behind ADHD as a biologic/organic syndrome or disease [Re: SneezingPenis]
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In order to approach this subject with sense and rationality, it's important to also update and refute postulations as science evolves and we become more knowledgable about neurodivergency.

As such, by 2023, we have in fact now 27 DNA markers that is thought to be associated with developing ADHD of any type.

So not only can we now say, that "yes, adhd is provable and true", we also now  more about what ADHD is and how it works or what limitations it presents to those of us who are challenged by it on an every day basis.

ADHD is not an attention deficite illness, it's a performance illness.

One of the best analogies I've heard so far, is try to imagine you are a librarian in a huge library.
But all the books are stored randomly... not by letter or section.

Yes, you might have specific topics that are ordered in "blocks", allowing faster more efficient access, but it's not generally the case. Also those blocks tend to be much more effeciently accessible in a neuro divergent "library" than they would be in a neurotypical "library".


In relation to the effects of psychedelics on the adhd mind, you cannot generalize and say it's good or bad to do psychedelics. Nor in regards to weaning of medication before doing a journey.

If you are pre-dispositioned to psychotic episodes or suffer from co-morbid bi-polarity, psychedelics are most likely not for you. NOTE: Even having 1st link relatives that suffer from mental issues is enough to say you might be pre-disposed yourself.
Don't do it...

If you don't suffer from those, then it's up to you to make a judgement call.

I've seen questions that ask about how psilocybin / psilocin works in relation to adhd.

Based on current research, serotonin does NOT play a role in regards to the way the brain works in adhd people. Studies show that there was NO difference in serotonin expression and activity in the brain between neurotypicals and adhd diagnosed individuals. None...

Psilocybin is not the active drug in mushrooms. It's what we call a "pro-drug". This pro-drug gets disassembled in the gut and is turned into psilocin. Psilocin is what is having effect.

5ht is the designation of serotonin. There are various types of serotonin receptors.
Psilocin is a 5ht-2a receptor agonist. Chemically it greatly resembles serotonin and therefore can act in it's place.

These receptors are present to a great extent in the neo-cortex, and especially in the visual part of the brain. This explains why psilocin causes visual hallucinations with both open and closed eyes. Your visuals brain cells are firing like crazy (good crazy :wink: )

Most adhd medicin is not an SSRI. (please look up your own perscribe drug... fx by searching for "yourdrugname receptor affinity".
Most adhd drugs are targetting specific D (dopamine) receptors. While serotonin is involved in the greater scheme of things, adhd medicin, does not specifically target and bind to serotonin receptors. But the effect on the dopamine receptors, can have a drip down effect on serotonin in other relations.

So in short, mushrooms do not directly effect the adhd related part of brain cells. But can have a drip down effect.

Also, it is your own responsibility to:

1. Recognise and accept your own biological challenges and potential pre-dispositions.
2. NOT generalize medicine or psychedelics... as in; "This doesn't work for me specifically, therefore it must be bad in an absolute way!"
3. Accept that other people might in fact benefit from something that would otherwise have a negative effect on your system / brain... again, that does not make the substance generally bad.

Be safe and take pre-cautions. Make peace with yourself and your significant others before going on the journey.
And use the journey in a rational / NON-"take it at facevalue" kind of way. Process what you experienced afterwards.

Edited by beforeIgetold (05/10/23 12:55 AM)

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