ballsalsa said:

r3volution.gurl said:

koods said:

r3volution.gurl said:

I'm asking for as much detail as for example Shiva provided when explaining falcon's justification.

Is that hard?

What is the purpose of Russia's conquest of Ukraine exactly?

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Showing off. Control of territory. Control of resources. Imperialism. Showing off.

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Can you be more specific please and provide sources on 'control of resources'?

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Do you not already know that Ukraine has several large nuclear facilities, huge fossil fuel reserves and transportation infrastructure for oil/gas?  Another example would be the vast grain producing regions within Ukraine that provide food for much of the world.  Ukraine is the #1 producer of sunflower, the #6 producer of corn, #7 producer of wheat, #4 producer of barley, etc.

Just a hunch, but I think that food and energy resources might be kinda important to control...

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chopstick said:

ballsalsa said:

Forget about denouncing anyone.  Do you support the actions of the Russian military in Ukraine, yes or no?

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Yes. You got a problem with that?

Tell us why anybody should care that you have judged us?

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r3volution.gurl said:

So as long as the US controls it, it's all good

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Kwyjibo said:

r3volution.gurl said:

So as long as the US controls it, it's all good

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Who said that?

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r3volution.gurl said:

Kwyjibo said:

r3volution.gurl said:

So as long as the US controls it, it's all good

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Who said that?

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It's implied is it not?

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r3volution.gurl said:

I'm asking for as much detail as for example Shiva provided when explaining falcon's justification.

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Kwyjibo said:

No. Ukraine should control their own resources.

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shivas.wisdom said:

r3volution.gurl said:

I'm asking for as much detail as for example Shiva provided when explaining falcon's justification.

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What was the purpose of providing you with a detailed response?

You didn't retract your claim of "someone being accused of something they don't actually represent" - you seemingly didn't even read my response with a similar attention to detail because my post wasn't referring to falcon - the only result was two more questions rapid fired at me.

I'm happy to give detailed responses when I believe the individual is asking in good faith, but you need to give some detailed responses too if you want a discussion to happen.

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Here's a freebie: "what's your justification? Or why this war happened exactly?"

There is an aggressive force, the Russian army. There are interests of big capital at stake, on both sides. Those who are suffering now, because of the delusions of some and the crafty economic calculations of others, are the peoples of Russia and Ukraine (and, perhaps soon, those of other geographies near and far away).

Different governments have sided with one faction or the other, and have done so on the basis of economic calculations. There is no appeal to humanity in them. For these governments and their ideologues, there are good and bad interventions-invasions-destructions. The good ones are those carried out by their supporters, and the bad ones are those perpetrated by their opponents. The applause for Putin's criminal argument to justify the military invasion of Ukraine will turn into a lament when, by the same words, the invasion of other peoples whose processes do not please big capital will be justified.

Big capital and its “Western” regimes sat back and watched - and even encouraged - the situation as it deteriorated. Then, once the invasion had begun, they waited to see if Ukraine would resist, calculating what they could get out of one result or the other. As Ukraine persisted, then they began to issue "aid" invoices to be charged later. Putin is not the only one surprised by the Ukrainian resistance.

Those who win in this war are the big weapon-manufacturing consortiums, and the big capitals that see this opportunity to conquer: to destroy-reconstruct territories, that is to say, to create new markets of commodities and consumers, of human lives. Remember that the USA and Russia are the #1 and #2 global suppliers of weapons.

No war but the class war.

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ballsalsa said:

That's a fun story. Tell me another.

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r3volution.gurl said:

ballsalsa said:

That's a fun story. Tell me another.

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You laugh now, but China is more than a year ahead in technology over the US and owns more physical US dollars than the US itself. I wish it was a make believe story and if you believe it is then you really haven't a clue of how the most powerful countries in the world really negotiate with one another.

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undersativaskies said:

Do you know how many countries are giving aide to the Ukraine atm? It's not just the US that is helping them. The majority of the world has been helping Ukraine

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Anyway, back to the discussion we were actually having:
Did you have some evidence to support your claim that "before this war, the US controlled their resources" ?

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ballsalsa said:

Russia is the only party in this conflict to invade and occupy the territories of the other parties.  This isn't complex. 
Let me know if you need any other help understanding basic concepts.

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