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OfflineBobfirechief
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After 100% colonization
    #2783993 - 06/11/04 08:03 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Does letting the jars sit even longer after colonization , say two weeks have any beneficial effects ?

I recall reading somewhere that the longer it sits the stronger the mycelium network will get and the bigger the fruits/flush .

My first batch of jars (pf) are 100 % colonized and I'm going to let them sit another week , but if I could let them sit longer to increase yield I will . Would this be worth it ?


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: Bobfirechief]
    #2784004 - 06/11/04 08:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i read somewhere (can't remember or i would post the link) but you can over colonize your substrate. but giving it an extra week to colonize after the surface area is 100% is generally the way most folks do it ( i think ). on the other hand if you let it colonize to long, like an extra week you will loose moisture in the substrate and it will not be used for forming mushrooms, it will be used for forming more myc.
does that make any sense?



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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: Bobfirechief]
    #2784006 - 06/11/04 08:19 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Also if you leave it too long it gets overlay, which kinda sucks, a week shouldn't hurt though. I usually just let it fully colonize and then wait two to three days and birth the cake.


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #2784009 - 06/11/04 08:22 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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hawksapprentice said:
Also if you leave it too long it gets overlay, which kinda sucks, a week shouldn't hurt though. I usually just let it fully colonize and then wait two to three days and birth the cake.




cakes dont get overlay.


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: MESCALATO]
    #2784078 - 06/11/04 09:11 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

You 100% on that. Ive seen whats described as classic overlay. I could be wrong though.


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #2784089 - 06/11/04 09:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

on a pf cake?
no im not 100% on it.
i could be wrong as well. i just have never seen an overlayed cake first hand.


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: MESCALATO]
    #2784091 - 06/11/04 09:18 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

oh well.....maybe someone else will know.....anyone out there seen this before???


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: Bobfirechief]
    #2784544 - 06/11/04 12:48 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i believe the only overlay a pf cake could get is growing past the verm barrier (have seen this) and then getting contam'd. letting them sit for a week would be a good move to ensure the cake is fully colonized on the inside also.

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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: Bobfirechief]
    #2784550 - 06/11/04 12:50 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Leaving the jars to colonize more could lead to pins, which can't grow too well in a jar... It'll start to get messy.

A week over shouldnt be a problem though.


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: Bobfirechief]
    #2784859 - 06/11/04 02:43 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'd say at the most 2 days after jars look completely white just to make sure they have colonized right through the center but that said they can sit for a long long time I'm just saying 2 days after full white is the earliest you should birth....I have never heard of overcolonizing and no you can't get overlay on jars lol :laugh:


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: Bobfirechief]
    #2784887 - 06/11/04 02:52 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

im fruiting off of cakes that sat in incubator for an extra 2 1/2 weeks with no problems at all... infact its workin better than when i used em fresh.


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: Bobfirechief]
    #2785419 - 06/11/04 05:01 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

It would be a good idea to birth them when you start to see primordia/pins, I think.


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: MESCALATO]
    #2786289 - 06/11/04 10:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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cakes dont get overlay.




Hell yes they do get overlay. Any mycelial network that's exposed to the air can get overlay.


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: jonneill]
    #2786520 - 06/12/04 12:29 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

No, because in jars it would be hard to innitiate pinning, and they would likely abort or bruise and die when they start growing.

About the overlay, I would say no, because it doesn't matter how thickly mycelium grows on the edges of the jar.
Though, if the whole substrate was colonized and it got to form a thick mat type layer of mycelium and then ended up slowing fruiting would be overlay I guess.
Oh well, I have never seen either case, but if you say so I believe it, if sure it doesn't help growth when it occurs so I'd just avoid it


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: holio1]
    #2788069 - 06/12/04 05:01 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I said it before, cakes do get 'overlayed', and it happens when they are allowed to colonize past the vermiculite barrier on the top. Since it is there to defend against contams, when the mycelium reaches the top it is A LOT more prone to contamination, I have seen this and lost jars this way, and both times it came from leaving a jar sit too long (post-primordia).


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Re: After 100% colonization [Re: Grouch]
    #2789127 - 06/13/04 02:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

easy solution...ditch the dry verm barrier...never understood why ppl use them they just take up possible substrate space..all i ever used for brf jars was coffee filters and I had a very high success rate...you could also use tyvek and I'm sure even polyfil would work fine..plus then you don't have to touch your substrate with the syringe when innoculating


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