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OfflineLSAuser
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Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized!
    #987781 - 10/23/02 08:43 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I innoculated on the 22th of September, its now October 24! The other jars still have about 7-10 days left before they are fully colonized. Im gonna let the one jar sit another 3 days just to be safe and make sure it colonizes the center as well. heres some questions:


1. I might have a hard time removing the cake from the jar. Can I scrape some of the mycellum with a sterile knife in order to remove the cake?

2. Do I put the pieces of mycellum I scraped back on the cake and let it become one again or throw it away and let the remaining 80% of the cake pin?

3. How long do I dunk, 12 hours sounds like a long time. Do I totally submerge the cake or just insert it in an inch of well water?

4. how much perlite to use? an inch?

5. Will a rubbermaid food container do? The long, rectangular one with a plastic lid? I have two of them but they arent high enough to allow sufficient room.

6. Must I need light or can I let them grow in the dark? If I need light, will leaving it in the storage room with the ceiling lights on 8 hours a day work?

7. any other stuff I should do?

thanks :laugh:

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: LSAuser]
    #987803 - 10/23/02 08:54 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

FAQ.
"how much perlite to use? an inch?"
"Will a rubbermaid food container do?"


Are you fucking kidding me? you didn't read anything did you?

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: LSAuser]
    #987807 - 10/23/02 08:55 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

look at the bar above with "my home" and "search". You see where it says "FAQ" click it, ALL your answers can be found there,have a nice day

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OfflineLSAuser
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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: VSOPXO]
    #987843 - 10/23/02 09:15 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

"Temperature during the dunking should be cold, or as cool as possible and still above freezing.
Time spent dunking should be not less than 6 hours for minimal benefits. 12 hours is about right for dunking in between flushes and at birth but 24 hours is the maximum for full rehydration of nearly spent cakes."


More questions: my fridge might be 32 degrees, I sometimes see a bit of ice accumulating on the metal shelves. Might be too cold. How does dunking in cold water and letting it sit in a dark place sound? The water should remain cool for the overnight dunk :laugh:


"Probably the easiest way is using a layer of moist perlite at the bottom of the fruiting chamber along with manual fanning several times a day."


It doesnt mention how deep a layer! also how moist? I heard you fill it so the water line covers half of the perlite.



"in a sealed terrarium"


It doesnt specify what type. Can I use a plastic rubbermade food container for that?


"A mushroom is best harvested by being pulled off the casing or cake with a twisting motion.
Don?t use a knive or scissors"


I was thinking of using a knife, but what about the issues of blue bruising?


No matter how often we read the FAQ, we will still have questions. by we, this means many shroomery members.

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: LSAuser]
    #987847 - 10/23/02 09:17 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

In reply to:

No matter how often we read the FAQ, we will still have questions.


well thats retarded bacause EVERY single one of those questions can be found with 5 mins work.

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Offlinehyper_dermic
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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: VSOPXO]
    #987855 - 10/23/02 09:22 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

can you please stop answering his dumbass questions and answer my dumbass questions instead? its a few threads down....

[hyp]

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: LSAuser]
    #987866 - 10/23/02 09:27 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Alright bro.
I wasn't gonna let you in on this, but since it sounds like you managed to pull off your little experiment you may be worth sharin the real info wit.
There's a section on the Shroomery, it doesn't get alot of attention, it's pretty well hid so most people can't find it. But it has way more info than the faq does and it can break this stuff down for ya real clear.
So here ya go, and remember who hooked ya up.
:laugh:
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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: LSAuser]
    #987914 - 10/23/02 09:48 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

hehe I bet that girl has a BODACIOUS booty

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InvisibleVSOPXO
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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: LSAuser]
    #987915 - 10/23/02 09:48 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

okay,look----
In reply to:

It doesnt mention how deep a layer! also how moist? I heard you fill it so the water line covers half of the perlite.




read this

In reply to:

Don't use too much water. Use a 1.5 - 2 inch layer of perlite and no more than 1/4 to 1/2 inch of water. People seem to make the mistake of adding too much water which doesn't leave enough exposed perlite surface area.


LSAuser, I found that in the FAQ .Try using your eyes next time.

Edited by VSOPXO (10/23/02 09:59 PM)

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Offlinef8L
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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: VSOPXO]
    #988000 - 10/23/02 10:16 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

LSAUSER has 900 fuckin posts and doesn't know the answer to these questions?

I have 50 posts and learned all that shit 30 posts ago... LSAuser continues to amaze me.

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OfflineFongSaiYuk
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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: f8L]
    #988261 - 10/23/02 11:29 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I sense a deliberate intent to aggravate...

that smiley face at the end of the Thanks...


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OfflineAzWeThinkWeIz420
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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: FongSaiYuk]
    #988419 - 10/24/02 12:33 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

there is no need to be a fucking asshole. what the fuck is the point of this fucking forum then if it isnt to answer peoples questions??? if all the answers are in the faq then delete this fucking forum. jesus christ, the internet brings out the worst in people

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: AzWeThinkWeIz420]
    #988438 - 10/24/02 12:41 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

This is the problem, this guy LSAuser has been on these forums for about two months now and the answers to his questions have been in front of his face the whole damn time. He gets a lot of shit around here, sometimes more than he needs to IMO, but hey he brings alot of it on himself.


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    #988489 - 10/24/02 12:58 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)


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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: ]
    #988493 - 10/24/02 12:59 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I was thinking the same damn thing. Either that or he uses quart jars with brf.


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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: AzWeThinkWeIz420]
    #988531 - 10/24/02 01:36 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

the worst part is LSAuser will try to argue with you about cultivation but he has never even grown any.

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: VSOPXO]
    #988558 - 10/24/02 01:53 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

LSAuser you really need to go and reconsider your approach to these boards man.

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OfflineLSAuser
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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: LSAuser]
    #988663 - 10/24/02 03:08 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)


1. I might have a hard time removing the cake from the jar. Can I scrape some of the mycellum with a sterile knife in order to remove the cake? *not answered*

2. Do I put the pieces of mycellum I scraped back on the cake and let it become one again or throw it away and let the remaining 80% of the cake pin? *not answered*

3. How long do I dunk, 12 hours sounds like a long time. Do I totally submerge the cake or just insert it in an inch of well water? *answer found, 12 hours, full submersion*

4. how much perlite to use? an inch?
*answer found, use 1.5-2*

5. Will a rubbermaid food container do? The long, rectangular one with a plastic lid? I have two of them but they arent high enough to allow sufficient room.
*answer not found*

6. Must I need light or can I let them grow in the dark? If I need light, will leaving it in the storage room with the ceiling lights on 8 hours a day work?
*it just says use light for direction but doesnt mention anything else*

7. any other stuff I should do?



OOps guess I didnt see everything in the FAQ. Why do others still ask questions? theres like 50 new posts a day. also this is my first time, so gimmie a break  :crazy:
anyway the questions above........

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: LSAuser]
    #988669 - 10/24/02 03:15 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

1) Yes.
2) Throw away the scraps.
5) It's not ideal, but it will work.  Any shrooms hitting the lid will bend.
6) It will work fine if you leave them in the storage room.
7) Use some common sense and stop chasing fat chicks. :wink: 


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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #988674 - 10/24/02 03:22 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

BWHAHAHAHAHA

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #989335 - 10/24/02 10:46 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, #7 made me glad I skipped class, holy shit, I think I pooped my pants.


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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: LSAuser]
    #989395 - 10/24/02 11:11 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

LAOOOOOOOSSSSSSSEEEERRRRRRRR you must have no comprhension level when you read . I actually thought this post may be worth responding to , good thing I'm just here "wasting" time .
900 some odd posts and god only knows how many posts you adulterated with your gibberish , and you truly have learned nothing except how to annoy people .
You are a wanna be of the worst kind !
Fuck I am actually stupider from stopping in on this post !
Later


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So with that said here is our mission statement .

Then the priest fell into a trance or swoon,& said unto the Queen of heaven ; Write unto us the ordeals; write unto us the rituals; write unto us the law !

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: tripndicular]
    #989401 - 10/24/02 11:16 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Damn trip, harsh. I know how you feel, but the kid's a sa-sa-sa-sa-slow learner. I actually like him around cause some of his post are so damn funny. And the flames this guy gets, I just wonder how he signs on everyday. More power to him.


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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: Skikid16]
    #989419 - 10/24/02 11:27 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry , recently quit smokoing cigaretts my tolerance is low :mad: . I agree he does catch a lot of shit , but you think that would make him think before he opens his keyboard  :crazy:. If he just wants to be heard he should hang out in the appropriate forum .......kinda like us right now ! :wink:
Catch ya in the boards
trip n d 


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So with that said here is our mission statement .

Then the priest fell into a trance or swoon,& said unto the Queen of heaven ; Write unto us the ordeals; write unto us the rituals; write unto us the law !

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: tripndicular]
    #989533 - 10/24/02 12:28 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

ya know, its amazing, this thread just grows and grows....
yet the ones that need real attention just sit there lol
funny, sad but funny....

[hyp]

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #989584 - 10/24/02 12:57 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

very true hyper_dermic.....very true


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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #989880 - 10/24/02 02:29 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not an expert or anything, but I'd be more than happy to offer my .02 cents if he tried to find those answers. He's asking if he can use a rubbermaid for a terrarium,come on now,that's retarded.There's even numerous pictures in the growlog with people using rubbermaids.He can LITERALLY find all those answers in under ten minutes.I have not been harsh on him,hell I'm surprised Anno or Moe hasn't come here and replied "read the FAQ"

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OfflineLSAuser
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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #990081 - 10/24/02 03:28 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

"1) Yes.
2) Throw away the scraps.
5) It's not ideal, but it will work. Any shrooms hitting the lid will bend.
6) It will work fine if you leave them in the storage room.
7) Use some common sense and stop chasing fat chicks."



1. thanks
2. good idea. I could try to case the pieces or put them in jars but ill probably get contams. Not worth the time. Ill just dump em in the trash :frown:
5. Then ill buy a higher rubbermaid.
6. you still didnt mention anything about lighting. ive looked that up in the FAQ and it mentions lightbulb, but what about ceiling lights?
7. LOL  :grin: :tongue: :wink: :crazy: :cool: :smile: :blush: :smirk: :shocked: :crazy:


"There's even numerous pictures in the growlog with people using rubbermaids"

Just because they use rubbermaids doesnt mean its ideal, also they use different sizes. I read the FAQ but sometimes stuff is a little different. Flaming me just shows you guys are dumb and what not. who cares if I have 900 posts, this is my first time growing, take it easy. I have not flamed you guys, why flame me? this is not "off topic"

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: LSAuser]
    #990129 - 10/24/02 03:44 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

You people are treating him way too harshly! And Trip, what in the hell did you ever contribute to this board, huh? Why would someone go the extra mile to try to put someone else down. Sickens me...


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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: SixCee]
    #990154 - 10/24/02 03:52 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Woah woah woah, I feel a flame war starting. Trip has contributed alot. But it pisses me off when people get off on just bashing people. I can see both sides, but for the sake of good nature, lets all try to be helpful, hell maybe if we all help him a little, he'll learn something and not so many duh questions.

Oh yeah, LSA, lights from your room will be fine, the lights are just needed as a directional, nothing more, people have used small LED lights and have had success, so yes, the ones on you ceiling will be fine. Good Luck, and do yourself a huge favor, start reading before you post every question that comes to mind. You'll get less flames and learn more.


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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: Skikid16]
    #990799 - 10/24/02 07:54 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)


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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: LSAuser]
    #990887 - 10/24/02 08:22 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

30 days to colonize, and 30 freekin posts this thead is gonna be sticky soon!

i love the previous post, the one about using wood in your substrate....
i think im going to start using stones from my backyard in my substrate, cuz mushrooms grow near stones..... and stones remind the mushrooms of their natural habitat... and if the mushrooms think they are in their natural habitat, they will grow more naturally...
it all makes perfect sense....

seriously tho LSA just read what everyone else does, and copy to the best of your ability.... some corners can be cut or modified, and some cannot...
just use a little common sense and u will see which is which...
i can understand your being hesitant, its your 1st grow and all.. im actually in the same boat you are in....
but alot of the questions you ask can be answered just by thinking about it for 10 seconds... if the rubbermaid is not deep enuff... buy a new one!
if it says a lightbulb is ok, then the ones on your celing should be fine! they are lightbulbs arent they?

i actually find your posts quite amuseing, they dont anger me at all....
if i pick on ya its all in good fun, u have to admit, some of your posts are really silly  :tongue:

good luck

[hyp]

man i must be having a good day....




 

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #990896 - 10/24/02 08:26 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

well put, i gave you a 5
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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: SixCee]
    #991349 - 10/24/02 10:33 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I was no harsher than anyone else .
What has been my contribution to the board .......
I tried to educate myself proior to bugging people , then as I learned and saw shit happen I try to share what "little" I have learned , most of which is pretty damn good for a first timer . At least 80% of what I say is acurate . Including this time !
Yeah we all "brain fart" and ask some winners from time to time , but I agree.....
"RETARDED" CAN I USE A RUBBERMAID ?


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So with that said here is our mission statement .

Then the priest fell into a trance or swoon,& said unto the Queen of heaven ; Write unto us the ordeals; write unto us the rituals; write unto us the law !

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: LSAuser]
    #991516 - 10/24/02 11:16 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I'm dying to know and this flame war seems the appropriate time, LSAuser, what is up with the "full-figured model" sig?


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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: NoVestal]
    #991521 - 10/24/02 11:17 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

You are dying to know what?


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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: NoVestal]
    #991541 - 10/24/02 11:23 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Hey now its one thing to flame for not paying attention to available knowledge . But do not go so far as to insult him for his choice in women .........FAT CHICKS NEED LOVE TO ! And maybe he is not so skiny himself !

Mentality and ability to comprhend what he has read is the issue in this non such thread .


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Any information I give is not intended to aide you in the production of potentialy illegal substances !None of my exp comes from growing illegal varities , so take it as you will .
So with that said here is our mission statement .

Then the priest fell into a trance or swoon,& said unto the Queen of heaven ; Write unto us the ordeals; write unto us the rituals; write unto us the law !

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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% colonized! [Re: tripndicular]
    #991597 - 10/24/02 11:38 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Scuse me :crazy:

It seems like an advert to me with no linkthru.  My opinions on the "exceptionally weighted" don't come into it.  :grin: 


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Re: Finally after 30 days, one jar is 100% coloniz [Re: NoVestal]
    #991792 - 10/25/02 01:05 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

this is turning into an OTD thread, we should stop,I'm surprised they didn't move it

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